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ziliphade
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So I recently dove into the torture process that is Invoking, and I noticed something terrible, you get like 100-300 AD per hour, and doing things such as removing enchantments, rushing professions, and purchasing things in the store, would cost an entire 1-3 days worth of Invoking just to do 1 thing.
(1 Day of near perfect Invoking would be around 3000-4000 AD, and rushing a semi-long project in professions or anywhere else for that matter is around 8000 AD, and as for the store the last time I checked things in there were around 160,000 AD so that is nearing a weak if my rough guess is right, and that is stupid)
As I said in my previous thread I am not that experienced with mmorpg's and their currency systems but this just seems rediculas, is there something I don't know? Like does the amount you get depend on current AD economy which is currently in shambles because of the exploits?
(1 Day of near perfect Invoking would be around 3000-4000 AD, and rushing a semi-long project in professions or anywhere else for that matter is around 8000 AD, and as for the store the last time I checked things in there were around 160,000 AD so that is nearing a weak if my rough guess is right, and that is stupid)
As I said in my previous thread I am not that experienced with mmorpg's and their currency systems but this just seems rediculas, is there something I don't know? Like does the amount you get depend on current AD economy which is currently in shambles because of the exploits?
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On the other hand, rushing craft and other stuff is optional.
The prices are a bit high in my opinion. But you also seem to be overlooking the other ways to get Astral Diamonds. Daily quests reward them. Also I get most of my Diamonds from the Leadership profession.
I have to ask... How do you get anywhere near 7K AD from invoking? Or do you mean for all your characters? My characters are bugged and still getting double diamonds and I still don't get 7K a day each. After a few invocations I am down to getting junk.
Invoking all day doesn't seem to work anyway. I've got 5 characters doing the leadership missions. Checking on them every 2 hours and invoking then. First 3-4 invocations give AD after that they stop getting any AD and just get a buff and maybe a potion. I never could find any detailed information on how its suppose to work.
Of course, you also can get AD from AH and AD/Zen exchange, but someone must have made those AD first in order to trade with you.
The concern here is that the AD sinks is far larger than the AD market injection rate (which would invariably drive up demand for AD). Which all in all, is actually a good thing: It means that people with money are more likely to trade Zen for AD, AD is less likely to undergo massive inflation as tends to be the norm for the main currency in many other MMOs, and for the froobs, they just have to be more careful with their AD allocation costs, meaning no frivolous profession rushing and etc.
Of course, this is all an well in theory, but i practice, until they get rid of some of the shortcomings of the F2P system, I can see that exploits can still cause market imbalance.
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
Well I havn't had any luck with the auction house because, well, not to sound bitter but everyone is going to think "Why would I waste my time invoking and questing for AD to buy this guys <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, when I can exploit it"
Probably making everything I put up worth nothing.
Generally only rare and very rare items sell on the AH. So, basically, AD is more of a convenience than anything until level 60.
I'm pretty sure that's how it's supposed to work. You get a bit of AD for the first few times you invoke, then only a buff for the rest of the day.
Runes also start selling from R4 onwards, and so does some profession assets/resources. Not obscene high amounts of course, but enough to make it at least somewhat worthwhile. (Not to mention clearing up valuable bag space)
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
In a player driven economy there will always be the exploited and there will always be the ones doing the exploitation. However, there is a third way in this case one that is highlighted by Richard Dawkins - you screw the system and cooperate.
The system is designed to screw you over one way or another, but the question is can they make it an illusion so you're actually willing to be ****ed over by them? Valve does this in a hilarious way where you are literally giving them money for something you absolutely will not use most of the time.
However, the way the system is set up currently a lot of people feel 'cheated' or 'insulted' or somehow their dignity has been damaged.
So let me change gears a bit. Think about it this way, by ensuring that you have a comfortable base to play the game and manifesting your own happiness with this product you may be more inclined to donate money rather than trying to go through it 'legitimately' because... you will almost never reach 24k with refinement by 'normal' means and if you play the Auction House -which has crashed - you are relying on someone being desperate enough or stupid enough to buy your goods (that will only sell for 1k-5k) .
When you are happy with this game, meaning you're decked out with epics, the supposed pay2win enchants, then perhaps you'll be content enough to figure that the devs deserve something so you'll throw them 5 to 10 dollars every now and then rather than feel dreadful when you stare at the Buy Zen button because you'll have no illusion that they are looking to **** you over.
There is no problem, everything is fine. What matters the most is that you are happy and that you have no regrets spending time in a game so long as it doesn't affect others (such as spamming level 10s to grind professions). Why should a game like this make you feel horrible or outraged?
Anyways, there isn't a problem and doing these things wouldn't contribute to anything but your own happiness and future in Neverwinter. Things will be fixed and either prices will come down and you can then spend with a smile or things won't and you'll have enough cushion to support yourself and occasionally donate when you feel it is justified. Whether you use methods you find dubious or not has no real consequence as these things must be and will be adjusted.
Don't hold yourself back. You're a god among insects.
ratio is capped at 500 ad per zen, it can't get higher than that.
Inflation of AD in AH, not Zen/AD exchange.
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
This is based on my experiences with STO. Admittedly, they don't use Dilithium (that game's version of AD) in the Auction, which is a big change, but.... the refining limit is 1/3rd of what it is here (8k), but the costs of things are much less than 1/3. There's nothing equivalent of the 2mil horse training, for example. Additionally, with a capped character, getting that 8k dilithium take about an hour. Getting your 24k in NWO seems like it'll take a great deal more time - just queuing for one dungeon and running it for 3k AD takes that long. It's not practical to do it on multiple characters.
And yeah, you can sell stuff at auction - if you find something worth selling. And (more importantly) that's just AD recirculated from other players.... once the bonus AD from founders is used up (in the various currency sinks) the stuff refined by everyone daily will be the only AD the economy has to run on. That small pool of AD will have to sustain the auction, and be used up in sinks (appearance change, speedups, ID scrolls, etc). Unless something changes, I don't think it's sustainable. But we'll see.
Then afterwards you can look at the Gaultkntnttlgym dailies if they're available, do 4 skirmishes, and play in 4 pvp matches. I somehow doubt most people will have that much time.
As for playing the AH, well that's largely diminished thanks to the so-called exploiters and how easy it is to get gear. So a few months down the line people who start new or people who weren't able to make a foothold will be suffering one way or another. But that's apparently okay so we just have to deal with it.
Really? Well, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. There hasn't been an MMO yet where I've bulk-run dungeons. (heck, I probably did less than 2 dozen dungeon runs in the entirety of the last three WoW expansions I played. But that was fine, there was plenty of other content to do. Looks like that won't be the case here - seems to be 90% of everything is queued party things.)
..that would be another difference between NWO diamonds and STO dilithium. There's an 8k cap on refining dilithium, but probably at least 16-20k dilithium worth of things you can do. Group-only content, group-optional content, solo content. Of course, that game's had three years to develop more stuff, while NWO's just getting started.
To be honest you don't really need AD to do anything except to remain competitive in PvP and the price currently is pretty darn high!
Meh, I need/want AD to 1. get things from the cash shop (it's worked in STO. yeah, I spent some $ in that game, but I also have gotten 8-10k zen from the exchange), and 2. do appearance swaps on gear (those fees will suck it up pretty fast.)