Lets talk about some facts...

saeleth7 · May 2013

I’ve been watching the forums thinking about a number of the things that players have been saying about the state of the game, cash shop, content...etc...and wanted to really think out my post before putting it up. I’d like to ask people to take a moment and breath then consider the following:

Fact: You had to pay ZERO out of pocket for Neverwinter, and if you decided to purchase one of the Founder Packs? You were well compensated for it in the form of goodies that you were given in-game.

Fact: Neverwinter has breathed life into a very stale genre. The combat system that is in place is one of the best ever implemented, and The Foundry will keep players busy with content for literally years to come. I can’t stress this enough, The Foundry is brilliant and gives players an endless stream of new content or the opportunity to design some of their own. Please name another MMO that does this.

Fact: The cash-shop prices are annoying but guess what, so are the cash shop prices in other games. I’d like to point out that Cryptic/Perfect World is charging nothing for this game. Yes it stinks when you see a cool mount on the shop and its 40 bucks but 1) They need to make money, and 2) Other MMOs have done this just as bad if not worse with the services they offer. Take a look at World of Warcraft. 10 bucks for a pet, 25 bucks for a mount, 25 bucks to server transfer, 30 bucks to change factions, something like 10 or 20 bucks to change your character’s appearance. And TERA & The Secret World are also doing the same thing! My point is this isn’t something new, and it certainly isn’t anything game breaking.

Fact: The screaming of a few on the forums does NOT reflect the opinion of the entire population. Do certain things irk me about Neverwinter? Sure they do, but I’m also rational enough to realize that the devs will correct certain issues and let the fact that I am really enjoying myself outweigh those annoyances.

Fact: Yes there are bugs, yes there are glitches, but I'd be willing to bet the devs are going to correct them. Just a hunch on that one

Neverwinter is setup to have absolutely zero barrier to entry for a gamer, and should someone want to support the company by purchasing Zen then good for them, its going towards paying the salary of the people who will be delivering more content. I’ll be the first to admit I was right on board with the “omg doom!” bandwagon when I began reading the forums and then after a few days and some more playing and thinking realized that there is nothing here that is that bad at all.

My advice to everyone is just relax and enjoy the game. In the grand scheme everything that is being done here is pretty darn normal

pops000 · May 2013

Just the facts ma'am

natejam101 · May 2013

saeleth7 wrote: »

I’ve been watching the forums thinking about a number of the things that players have been saying about the state of the game, cash shop, content...etc...and wanted to really think out my post before putting it up. I’d like to ask people to take a moment and breath then consider the following:

Fact: You had to pay ZERO out of pocket for Neverwinter, and if you decided to purchase one of the Founder Packs? You were well compensated for it in the form of goodies that you were given in-game.

Fact: Neverwinter has breathed life into a very stale genre. The combat system that is in place is one of the best ever implemented, and The Foundry will keep players busy with content for literally years to come. I can’t stress this enough, The Foundry is brilliant and gives players an endless stream of new content or the opportunity to design some of their own. Please name another MMO that does this.

Fact: The cash-shop prices are annoying but guess what, so are the cash shop prices in other games. I’d like to point out that Cryptic/Perfect World is charging nothing for this game. Yes it stinks when you see a cool mount on the shop and its 40 bucks but 1) They need to make money, and 2) Other MMOs have done this just as bad if not worse with the services they offer. Take a look at World of Warcraft. 10 bucks for a pet, 25 bucks for a mount, 25 bucks to server transfer, 30 bucks to change factions, something like 10 or 20 bucks to change your character’s appearance. And TERA & The Secret World are also doing the same thing! My point is this isn’t something new, and it certainly isn’t anything game breaking.

Fact: The screaming of a few on the forums does NOT reflect the opinion of the entire population. Do certain things irk me about Neverwinter? Sure they do, but I’m also rational enough to realize that the devs will correct certain issues and let the fact that I am really enjoying myself outweigh those annoyances.

Neverwinter is setup to have absolutely zero barrier to entry for a gamer, and should someone want to support the company by purchasing Zen then good for them, its going towards paying the salary of the people who will be delivering more content. I’ll be the first to admit I was right on board with the “omg doom!” bandwagon when I began reading the forums and then after a few days and some more playing and thinking realized that there is nothing here that is that bad at all.

My advice to everyone is just relax and enjoy the game. In the grand scheme everything that is being done here is pretty darn normal

Sorry, your wrong. How about that?

Cash shop prices in other MMo's are not the same..for example...Star Trek Online, another PWE owned game.

Thanks, have a nice day fanboi.

stereoblindx · May 2013

Sounds like a lot of opinions to me.

natejam101 · May 2013

saeleth7 wrote: »

I’ve been watching the forums thinking about a number of the things that players have been saying about the state of the game, cash shop, content...etc...and wanted to really think out my post before putting it up. I’d like to ask people to take a moment and breath then consider the following:

Fact: You had to pay ZERO out of pocket for Neverwinter, and if you decided to purchase one of the Founder Packs? You were well compensated for it in the form of goodies that you were given in-game.

Fact: Neverwinter has breathed life into a very stale genre. The combat system that is in place is one of the best ever implemented, and The Foundry will keep players busy with content for literally years to come. I can’t stress this enough, The Foundry is brilliant and gives players an endless stream of new content or the opportunity to design some of their own. Please name another MMO that does this.

Fact: The cash-shop prices are annoying but guess what, so are the cash shop prices in other games. I’d like to point out that Cryptic/Perfect World is charging nothing for this game. Yes it stinks when you see a cool mount on the shop and its 40 bucks but 1) They need to make money, and 2) Other MMOs have done this just as bad if not worse with the services they offer. Take a look at World of Warcraft. 10 bucks for a pet, 25 bucks for a mount, 25 bucks to server transfer, 30 bucks to change factions, something like 10 or 20 bucks to change your character’s appearance. And TERA & The Secret World are also doing the same thing! My point is this isn’t something new, and it certainly isn’t anything game breaking.

Fact: The screaming of a few on the forums does NOT reflect the opinion of the entire population. Do certain things irk me about Neverwinter? Sure they do, but I’m also rational enough to realize that the devs will correct certain issues and let the fact that I am really enjoying myself outweigh those annoyances.

Fact: Yes there are bugs, yes there are glitches, but I'd be willing to bet the devs are going to correct them. Just a hunch on that one

Neverwinter is setup to have absolutely zero barrier to entry for a gamer, and should someone want to support the company by purchasing Zen then good for them, its going towards paying the salary of the people who will be delivering more content. I’ll be the first to admit I was right on board with the “omg doom!” bandwagon when I began reading the forums and then after a few days and some more playing and thinking realized that there is nothing here that is that bad at all.

My advice to everyone is just relax and enjoy the game. In the grand scheme everything that is being done here is pretty darn normal

Fact: ^^ This person above me is an idiot.

kevinf08 · May 2013

The Cash shop here is pretty bad. I will still play the game though but to say it's the norm and necessary for the game's survival is a bit naive.

As an example: league of legends cash shop.

lokaidraxmartis · May 2013

saeleth7 wrote: »

I’ve been watching the forums thinking about a number of the things that players have been saying about the state of the game, cash shop, content...etc...and wanted to really think out my post before putting it up. I’d like to ask people to take a moment and breath then consider the following:

Fact: You had to pay ZERO out of pocket for Neverwinter, and if you decided to purchase one of the Founder Packs? You were well compensated for it in the form of goodies that you were given in-game.

So are numerous other mmos as well, and some forign mmo's yet they tend to give us access to basic stuff cheaper or, within the game itself. Also founders themselves are ripp offs and are not worth the investment... no bags, no inventory slots, no bank slots... for what they charged you basically getting some vanity and fluff items and nothing of real use. So still stuck having to pay 100+ dollars per toon.

Fact: Neverwinter has breathed life into a very stale genre. The combat system that is in place is one of the best ever implemented, and The Foundry will keep players busy with content for literally years to come. I can’t stress this enough, The Foundry is brilliant and gives players an endless stream of new content or the opportunity to design some of their own. Please name another MMO that does this.

Mean the copy and paste combat system from tera? while the skill system is quite interesting the combat itself is very much ripped from Tera online, which took ques from previous action games like monster hunter. Tera's combat is still marginally better in that weapons have weight and impact, where as they tend to not feel as good in this game. Its a great system but do not make it out like its best thing ever... its not new or innovative... its all been done before...that said they did a good job molding it into a 4e format and i enjoy it alot.

Fact: The cash-shop prices are annoying but guess what, so are the cash shop prices in other games. I’d like to point out that Cryptic/Perfect World is charging nothing for this game. Yes it stinks when you see a cool mount on the shop and its 40 bucks but 1) They need to make money, and 2) Other MMOs have done this just as bad if not worse with the services they offer. Take a look at World of Warcraft. 10 bucks for a pet, 25 bucks for a mount, 25 bucks to server transfer, 30 bucks to change factions, something like 10 or 20 bucks to change your character’s appearance. And TERA & The Secret World are also doing the same thing! My point is this isn’t something new, and it certainly isn’t anything game breaking.

Every mmo needs to make money, this is a fact however... when you have a multi-billion dollar mmo, that has better assets, graphics, and argueably just as good combat offering things cheaper, and generally having a solid title. You try and make it sound like PWE and cryptic are offering this stuff cheaper then anyone else...you are wrong...Example D&D online...sell there bags 20 slots for 5-6 dollars, adventures are 10-15 dollars, races 10 dollars, classes 10 dollars comapanions? 40 CENTS!!! i kid you not... and dont have to level them! of course do need multi companions BUT mostly available in game... and can even summon multiables of them! so for price of 1 30 dollar companion could have 50 or so hirelings in DDO! DDO is more true to D&D and does make its money but does it through " micro " transactions and not " macro " transactions.

Fact: The screaming of a few on the forums does NOT reflect the opinion of the entire population. Do certain things irk me about Neverwinter? Sure they do, but I’m also rational enough to realize that the devs will correct certain issues and let the fact that I am really enjoying myself outweigh those annoyances.

and this swings both ways...the problem here is that its not same people posting complaints, its new posters... differant people, when you have this many people posting and complaining this probably means you have about 10-20x's that many are not saying HAMSTER... your atempt here fails hard.

Fact: Yes there are bugs, yes there are glitches, but I'd be willing to bet the devs are going to correct them. Just a hunch on that one

every game has bugs... i dont think a majority of people are complaining about bugs...

Neverwinter is setup to have absolutely zero barrier to entry for a gamer, and should someone want to support the company by purchasing Zen then good for them, its going towards paying the salary of the people who will be delivering more content. I’ll be the first to admit I was right on board with the “omg doom!” bandwagon when I began reading the forums and then after a few days and some more playing and thinking realized that there is nothing here that is that bad at all.

untill you hit end game, realize that to enchant anything you need wards, unless you want to fail constantly. Untill your bags start to fill with runes, and other odds and ends you kind of need, untill you start getting deep into the game and realize that earning AD isnt as easy as everyone tries to make it out to be. Sorry gonna disagree with you here especially... This game is designed to force you into buying things. While pretty items are the most expensive, its not those things that a majority of us are *****ing about. What we are annoyed at isnt the 40 dollar mounts, it is in fact the 30 dollar companions and 10 dollar bags, and the wards and enchanting system in general... these are all bad things...

My advice to everyone is just relax and enjoy the game. In the grand scheme everything that is being done here is pretty darn normal

I dont disagree i have given up trying to convince people that they are facilitating the high prices, instead i'm focused on playing the game. But that said i refuse to spend another dime on zen untill they fix the prices on bags and such, and i will just not be using high level enchants because i will not buy wards. Nobody is calling the game bad, most of us have high praises of the game, it has its problems but in general its a good game...the issue is that some of us want to support the game, but are not finding that everything is over priced... we are paying sometimes double what other mmos are charging...stop trying to gloss that fact over.

NW is charging double what its competitors are in some places or very close to it, and there is no way to hide that fact can go look in various f2p mmos yourself and see that. Also using tera online was a horrible idea...since the gave me 4 bank tabs, and access to increase my bag space IN game with NO micro transactions at all...they left almost all the quality of life things in game... tera does f2p much better then NW.

jourmandir · May 2013

40 dollar mounts arent a big deal. Mounts are cosmetic.

600 Dollar Enchantment sets are a big deal.

zanathos666 · May 2013

if you want to make one of the greatest runes it costs you 160$.
overpriced - fact

glannigan · May 2013

Fact: The game is free.

Fact: You do not have to play it.

Fact: I like Dungeons and I like Dragons and I like Free Stuff!

jourmandir · May 2013

zanathos666 wrote: »

if you want to make one of the greatest runes it costs you 160$.
overpriced - fact

Not even over priced.

Over-priced implies that the price is just too high.

160 dollars for an enchantment is impractical. I could buy a new computer for the price of 2 enchanted characters in neverwinter.

neolithe · May 2013

natejam101 wrote: »

Sorry, your wrong. How about that?

Cash shop prices in other MMo's are not the same..for example...Star Trek Online, another PWE owned game.

Thanks, have a nice day fanboi.

Just need to ask this, is it possible to earn zen in STO? If no, you're wrong. If yes, then I'll say the cash shop needs tuning.

elessym · May 2013

neolithe wrote: »

Just need to ask this, is it possible to earn zen in STO? If no, you're wrong. If yes, then I'll say the cash shop needs tuning.

Yes, they have the same (in-game currency) <-> Zen exchange that Neverwinter does.

That said, the prices in STO aren't radically different.

pwiratgirl · May 2013

Posting opinions as if they were "facts" doesn't make them true.

cocksworth · May 2013

Fact: OP doesn't know what an opinion is.

sauceonside · May 2013

overall I think op stated things well. yes the cash shop might not be fair but no one is forcing us to use it. plus no one event mentioned the other points. so whats that? one big negative with several positives. game is free. play it or don't. buy zen or don't. bottom line is have fun if your not, move on

mentalise1 · May 2013

I really don't understand this kind of fanboyism, you're basically arguing against your own interests, fact: the cashshop prices are ridiculous, the only way to make it better for everyone(including you, regardless of how much money you're willing to sink into a game) is to give feedback on it and hope the devs respond to it the way they should, and by the way the 'minority' you mentioned was large enough to create a 114 page thread in case you've not seen it, I love the game and that's what makes it painful, to see such a great game with such potential brought down into the dirt by a greedy cash shop, and paid respecs.

thedrakkos · May 2013

Just, no.

/disagree.

klownzero · May 2013

Fact, you really didn't list fact's, just your thought's, Sir, People have the right to their opinion, not your or my place to negate their voice on the subject. Respect the opinion of other's, don't troll em.

Lets talk about some facts...

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