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GF vs GF Companion Aggro
visnsgc
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Curious if any of the other Guardian Fighter's are having issues keeping aggro from the GF companions, I have every feat that some how pertains to threat or threat creation. I am currently lvl 21 and I find myself struggling to keep aggro vs the companion - I consider myself a competent player but this is a practice in masochism..
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In the case of GWF - Even with the 25% threat boost on Daring Shout and Come and Get It, neither ability draws any significant amount of threat as they do not seem to be designed for that purpose at their core. Hence, the 25% boosts likely have no effect at all. That or it's simply broken.
We also have another Feat that increases threat generation of Sure Strike on critical hits by 25% - this also does very little to draw threat. Partly due to the reduced base damage of the at-will or the lower damage associated with a tank spec (or the general nerf the class received this past beta weekend). Or again - maybe threat generation is simply broken.
The point is - I can't function as a backup tank on a GWF due to the broken threat mechanic. I didn't really suffer from these issues when playing a GF up to 35 on BW2, although that was due to the half decent AOE taunt the class had access to. Outside of that, threat generation was still a bit iffy. Then again it seems that, after beta 2, threat issues have become more of a concern in general. This is an issue for all classes in some way shape or form, as far as I can tell.
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They need to drastically increase our threat so that we're able to tank better than a companion.
I tend to switch to control wizard or Greatweapon fighter(sellsword) companions in dungeons.
I consider myself a fully capable tank but when i have my companion out it is nearly impossible to get agro off him due to his threat generating strikes.
When he had his tank companion out while we were in quest dungeons almost 70% of the time I was fighting to rip threat off of him. I know that we were never in any danger of dying but some of us long time MMO players that are use to tanking and having total control found this to be a bit annoying, though I took it as practice of fighting for threat with an over zealous dps in dungeons later. I don't mind having to fight with other people for threat, and I take it as a challenge, and unless the threat issue becomes an issue where it causes wipes I really don't care to much.
I have seen some comparisons to SW:ToR since where you relied on a bulky DPS to hold part of a pull while you tanked the harder hitting mobs. Same is true in Neverwinter, as a tank you don't want to worry too much about the regular mobs as much as you want to grab the harder hitting elites, but their in lies the problem. Companions can easily handle these adds while you grab the boss or other stuff but they are NPC so they don't function the same as a player obviously, and while running quest instances I have seen many a time when fighting for threat against an NPC tank the mob start casting an AoE reticle on the ground and the NPC tank just stays in it and eats the dmg. So while it is nice to have them in a run with you as backup they aren't to smart and you really cant depend on them. They might have a group of adds on them one sec but stand in the "fire" and then when they die all those adds are going to run right to the DC. Again I don't know what changes were made to DC threat or even companion threat for the matter in BW4, so my point might be mute.
The hardest thing I ran into was in LotMD on the last boss, around level 30ish, I could keep the boss on me 100% of the time but the adds that would spawn would immediately run at the DC. I cant remember the spell name that I used but its the one that reduces your parties incoming dmg and you take some of it. Which was fine but the DC was basically running for his life and the rest of the DPS couldn't kill the adds fast enough. It could have been underpowered dps or incompetent dps but after a few wipes it was apparent that what we were doing wasn't working. I actually enjoyed the difficulty but being hard because the devs want it that way and being hard because a mechanic isn't working are two different things. For those SWToR players, SoA on hardmode or Nightmare know what I am talking about.
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Also, the alternate "cleave" while blocking is a very high threat generator, at the cost of wasting guard for threat... kind of stupid... I feel as if i keep running out of guard after soaking 3 big hits, not the petty quick attacks, like the ogres overheads or the other one, if i am tanking 2 of them i can manage to stab once before my guard gets wrecked.. even with spamming tides of iron (only a 10% regen... bullshiz imho) I cant seem to keep my guard up long eneough to get eneough threat out
I personally almost always keep out my cleric npc, not that i dont trust my healer(s) - its just every extra bit helps. less stress on you, less stress on me = winnar
Personally, I disable MY cleric companion when doing dungeons since I like a bit of a challenge, playing on easy mode isn't fun to me. But, also because a friend of mine that plays a Cleric told me that healing is much harder for him when there are a bunch of NPC's around that he has to get around to heal the important people in the group.
All in all, the issue still remains that aggro isn't perfect in this game yet, but I don't think we were ever meant to hold aggro on EVERYTHING in the room at ALL times. It just isn't viable in certain circumstances with what we have available. Just focus on high priority targets.. Bosses, Berserkers, and the like. Hope this helps.