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Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
Dear Game Designer (barely, clearly),
I would like to discuss with you the kill mechanic that you contrived for PvP: it's a pointless and dull mechanic, and an all round BAD idea.
Why?
When you played Guild Wars 2, and thought "I know... let's steal that", you failed to steal ALL of it. By omitting the "downed state" combat mechanics that allowed players to have a chance once they had been "defeated", you simply created a really, really tedious system (that has no merit or value) for players to worry about.
Given the limited nature of PvP, and the low cooldown on resurrections, why on God's blue Earth did you think it'd be a good idea?
Also, why haven't you made it clear to players how the system works? When I do 75% of the damage to a target, and some cretin Dwarf gets the kill credit, I'm left wondering... "why?", and I subsequently hope and pray that you - whoever you are - have been fired.
I don't think I've ever been more resentful of or hateful towards a person I do not know before, apart from Jesus. You are seriously a plague, and I would suggest a career in data entry above and beyond a career in game design.
And while we're at it... if it was you who also thought it'd be a good idea to have abilities that take TIME to cast but lack a cast bar (OR EVEN INFORMATION INFORMING YOU HOW LONG THE ANIMATION WILL LAST BEFORE THE EFFECT IS APPLIED), then know that I hate and despise you more than you think I do. Seriously. Think about how much you hate the person you most hate in the world, and now multiply it by 10. That is how much I hate you. I. Hate. You.
(P.S. Using a sardonic tone to highlight a couple of genuine gripes I have with PvP (and I actually do think the developers and designers responsible for these idiotic solutions are in themselves idiotic solutions. Lack of cast bars and information on skills, and a stupid, pointless, irritating, frustrating mechanic that leads to me feeling unrewarded and plagued by poor game design. Obviously there are more issues than that (ability delay seems to have reared its ugly head... yet again... for the millionth time in an MMO).)
I would like to discuss with you the kill mechanic that you contrived for PvP: it's a pointless and dull mechanic, and an all round BAD idea.
Why?
When you played Guild Wars 2, and thought "I know... let's steal that", you failed to steal ALL of it. By omitting the "downed state" combat mechanics that allowed players to have a chance once they had been "defeated", you simply created a really, really tedious system (that has no merit or value) for players to worry about.
Given the limited nature of PvP, and the low cooldown on resurrections, why on God's blue Earth did you think it'd be a good idea?
Also, why haven't you made it clear to players how the system works? When I do 75% of the damage to a target, and some cretin Dwarf gets the kill credit, I'm left wondering... "why?", and I subsequently hope and pray that you - whoever you are - have been fired.
I don't think I've ever been more resentful of or hateful towards a person I do not know before, apart from Jesus. You are seriously a plague, and I would suggest a career in data entry above and beyond a career in game design.
And while we're at it... if it was you who also thought it'd be a good idea to have abilities that take TIME to cast but lack a cast bar (OR EVEN INFORMATION INFORMING YOU HOW LONG THE ANIMATION WILL LAST BEFORE THE EFFECT IS APPLIED), then know that I hate and despise you more than you think I do. Seriously. Think about how much you hate the person you most hate in the world, and now multiply it by 10. That is how much I hate you. I. Hate. You.
(P.S. Using a sardonic tone to highlight a couple of genuine gripes I have with PvP (and I actually do think the developers and designers responsible for these idiotic solutions are in themselves idiotic solutions. Lack of cast bars and information on skills, and a stupid, pointless, irritating, frustrating mechanic that leads to me feeling unrewarded and plagued by poor game design. Obviously there are more issues than that (ability delay seems to have reared its ugly head... yet again... for the millionth time in an MMO).)
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And you think they are going to listen to you when you give advice about buffing/nerfing classes. LOL
P.S The downed state is actually a very tactical idea. If a large team fight is going on and your team is about to win calling for help would eventually deny the opposing team points and a kill. While waiting around for a heal during a close fight could potentially deny your team the help you would provide if you just chose to respawn. When more competitive play begins this will prove to be something that can make or break a team winning.
I don't believe I ever said that my problem was that people hitting the F key got the kill.
"But good job jumping to conclusions."
Arrogant.
Except the fact that you said "I just did 75% of the damage and then the dwarf gets the kill". In a post about the PvP kill mechanic, which you went on to explain is the downed state. That is when people use the F key. You also stated it was the same mechanic in GW2. Which is also the downed state, which would imply that the person hitting F is the one getting the kill after you did the majority of damage.
Explain to me how that is jumping to conclusions?
IRL if you do 75% damage to some bad guy in the streets, and I finish him off with a baseball bat hit to the head.
The "one who killed" him is me
"c'est la vie" !
What you are doing is practically a dictionary definition of "jumping to conclusions".
I never mentioned the F key. I never mentioned it because I was not specifically talking about it. If I had meant "guy hits F and gets my kill" I would have said that. I didn't.
I didn't say that at all. You read what I said, and >JUMPED TO THE CONCLUSION< that I was talking about that.
Practically a dictionary definition there, bro.
Aye, I know that. If the world was balanced, it wouldn't work like that though... right? RIGHT? ><;
So then what were you talking about?
You are right it is Jumping to conclusions. A conclusion based completely on the information given. Because you do not state that it is anything BUT the downed state. If you were talking about something else then why talk about the downed state and GW2 mechanic that is similar to this games PvP kill mechanic?
Honestly I don't know what else you could be talking about, so please enlighten us.
I hated GW2 mechanics but could live with it. This is just pointless and stupid.
Killing a player on the ground does not give you a kill.
The person who PUT him on the ground gets the kill.
What most likely happened is that the "dwarf" hit your target last, and ended up downing him first. Most likely with a Damage over Time or Ranged Attack. You thought you killed him, but did not. Then the Dwarf finished him off.
The downed system is in place to encourage reviving players, though I wish clerics had an ability that could do it from range. Then they might actually be useful in PvP again.
You do no understand the system. As stated earlier, you do not need to hit "F" in order to get the kill. You just need to be the last one to hit the target before he gets downed.
If i dont hit "f" i cant finish him off and he just gets "revived" by his mates. Like i stated, as a ranged character i cant (and shouldnt be forced to) run into melee range to "finish" my kills. That just doesnt make sense.
U Mad Bro?
It's annoying not knowing how long the spell is going to take.
O official forums, how funny are thee.
Whoever downs the target gets the kill. 1 PvP match can tell you this if you're competent and aware.
Makes perfect sense. It's the balancing act. You get to have a lot of range separating you from enemy, but you don't get to easily finish him off like melee classes. In my experience though, it doesn't really matter. Capturing points is more important than kills, and if you should always be around team-mates who can finish off players for you.
Oh well..
I don't know what your talking about I can kill easily with a CW in PvP. It's all about being ranged and staying ranged, the tele stun is easily avoidable by using teleport,timing ice bolt to freeze them as they land negating the stun in the process and timing your knock back blast. In fact the most trouble I have is from CW's and some clerics.
God as my witness if they change the scoring system, I mean like really think about it and take their time, and change it. PvP will be so much better because it won't be about who gets the kills or who goes to cap anymore. A GWF will be there to kill, a CW will be there to assist, a DC will be there to heal and revive, a GF will be there to hold the node or at least slow the capping process, and a TR will do what stealth is suppose to be slip past people to cap behind their backs. Right now the fight for holding mid is almost non-existant and its because of the flawed point system. Its because of this system that the OP felt he needed to post that because if that guy didn't want his +100 or whatever then he would have seen the OP was about to kill the guy and go on to damage and kill something else. Its because of the system that some of you tried to make a fool out of the OP because it's the internet and no one knows its you trying to humiliate someone because it's fun. Cause and effect people. You know you a douce bag if you are one. That **** comes back at you. I know I used to be an *** too.
So agree or disagree but don't try to insult each other's intelligence. Don't be a ***** about it guys. Grow a pair. Live and let live.