Hi all, first of all I apologize if this has been mentioned here somewhere (but I'm doing really mess).
There will be two playable races of drow? One will play up front (copies of Drizzt) and the second will be a classic evil drow playing underground.
I've been playing whole different RP servers for a drow for many years.(always we were just evil .. and just play by the rules as it is known). And as everywhere I read on the forum about the drow, so there is a lot corresponds to "4rd edition ... etc. Please, Could anybody cool me down that there will be 2 races? If not...how it will be with drow? I'm interested in classic dark ... evil ... drow.
Thx for patien.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited May 2013
You can play a dark evil drow or you can play a good natured one.
The choice, as always, is in the player's hands.
The race doesn't make the role. The player does.
Are in fact 2 races of Drow elf actually, one are ones we know and love the underdark dwelling evil race of lloth worshippers. The other is a race of exiled Drow elves, who live on the surface. To my knowledge they worship a different goddess who is good, and have a general dislike of there underdark brothers.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
Are in fact 2 races of Drow elf actually, one are ones we know and love the underdark dwelling evil race of lloth worshippers. The other is a race of exiled Drow elves, who live on the surface. To my knowledge they worship a different goddess who is good, and have a general dislike of there underdark brothers.
The menzo-renegade is purely fictional. They aren't good or bad. They just are.
They could worship Asmodeus if you want. Or they could have been exiled for being caught murdering somebody but still worship Lolth. The imagination is the limit.
It's more of a background than a race. The mechanical difference is limited to only one feature: faerie fire instead of darkfire.
And as always the player is in near-complete control of their backgrounds. If you want to roleplay an evil drow who is exiled from Menzoberanzan then feel free to do so. There are no limitations on what you can/should roleplay.
Thank you for your answers boys. But I must say that I was hoping that you made two drows in fact that there're two groups of drow players. 1st group who love evil drow and 2nd who love drizzt. But as you said I can play good natured drow in both "drow race" as well as evil drow. Im a little sad about that.
Imagine this (for example) ... Before the temple of Loth is good natured drow and screaming that Loth is a **** ... arounds are evil Drows who can not punish this drow, because otherwise they are killed by NPC (which would kill the traitor). And where is RP ... situations like this will be much and much .... all of them will be destroying the feels of the game for evil drow players.
Why it isnt just simple ... Want to play evil drow - choose Drow 1 .... Want to play good natued drow - choose Drow 2. In both drow races you can play many and many styles of RP ... but there are basic rules of it ...
****, I really hope that you understand what i mean by that (in my **** english :-) ).
Maybe I got something wrong, but as far as I know, the Exile Drow are only available for founders and will never be available for anyone else.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited May 2013
Right now things are very black and white. The official story arc is cut and dry: you are the Hero of Neverwinter.
Sadly it's part of the cuts made because this is an MMO. I'd love to see this game flushed out with optional different starting locations and such like we saw in past fan-made NWN 1 & 2 modules but for now, for launch, those features haven't been added and are not in the works. However if you ask you shall receive.
Tell Cryptic you would want such support and they'll always consider the feedback. Don't expect it overnight but keep on 'em. Remind them this is what is important to you...
And on this subject I doubt it would be hard to gain a long list of people willing to support the idea.
Maybe I got something wrong, but as far as I know, the Exile Drow are only available for founders and will never be available for anyone else.
As far as the 2 races of drow goes, there was some follow up books to the War of the Spider Queen run that ended with some of the drow becoming 'Dark elves'. I think it had something to do with separating the natural underdark dwelling elves and the surface elves that were forced underground. One would be called Drow, the other Dark Elves. I may need to re read those books to be sure.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
There are not 2 'races' of Drow... They are the same race, they just have extreme cultural differences based on their history. Alignment is not DICTATED by race, it is affected by culture. The lore merely suggested evil as they were initially a monster race and not a PC race.
The OP says he's been RPing Drow for years but if he knew his lore, which is essential to solid RP, he wouldn't be hating on Drizzt or making these wild references to 2 races and would instead understand the historical and cultural events that lead to the divergence in Drow civilization.
Regarding Drizzt: He wasn't the only good Drow, it just happened to be that his story was so captivating and contrasting to what most of us were familiar with that he became a Hero and, subsequently, a Legend to those of us who followed the books. It stands to reason, from a roleplaying perspective, that Drizzt's decision to cut his own path and become his own master was inspiring to many other Drow who did not appreciate the harsh and murderous ways of the Menzoberranzan and thus, many come to follow.
And for those who care (as I do) the Forgotten Realms lore indicates that "Good-aligned Drow" generally worship 'Eilistraee'
I hope that helps.
TL;DR - Drow can be any alignment, Drizzt is a boss, Get some knowledge and stop hating!
Also, the "good" alligned drow who said fudge it to the Underdark and went to the surface are, if I remember correctly, called dark elves these days and have a distaste for the drow of the Underdark.
Alignment doesn't matter about being banished, those who failed to live up to Lloth's dictates had to leave or die. Some drow simply leave because they despised their fellow drow or seek greener pastures outside the noble matriarch driven Lloth society. All of them are outcasts. The founders pack Drow are not a different race, but simply dark elves who have left a specific city, Menzoberranzean.
In FR lore, most dark elves once lived on the surface in the southern elven nation of Ilythiir and venerated the elven goddess Araushnee. The Ilythiir instigated several conflicts resulting in widespread war during an elven struggle for power called the "Crown Wars". The dark elves turned to the worship of dark powers, with Araushnee at the lead. For their cruelty, Araushnee was kicked out of the elven pantheon and all dark elves were driven underground by Corellon's magic becoming the drow. Araushnee became known as Lloth and has dominated dark elven culture ever since.
As for Eilistraee, she is at the time of this game dead. Of course, being a goddess, that is not always an unreversable condition.
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direcrowBanned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Are in fact 2 races of Drow elf actually, one are ones we know and love the underdark dwelling evil race of lloth worshippers. The other is a race of exiled Drow elves, who live on the surface. To my knowledge they worship a different goddess who is good, and have a general dislike of there underdark brothers.
Nope just one race of Drow. You're thinking of the goddess Eilistraee. But anyone can worship her. The Menzoberranzan renegade is literally Drizz't Do'Urden's background, created as a draw for the HoN pack so people could make Drizz't (or some cheap knock off seeing as they didn't actually release a ranger class).
Mindflayer Shard - @direcrow
The Dire Crow - Tiefling TR
Alice L'ddell - Human GF
Ludovique - Tiefling DC
Maybe I got something wrong, but as far as I know, the Exile Drow are only available for founders and will never be available for anyone else.
You are correct for now... Drow are a cash-cow, Cryptic would be stupid to not put them on the cash shop for 20$ or more. It won't happen right away, perhaps in a year or two... they did the same with STO and some of the lifetimer stuff. as well as all of the preorder stuff got put on the cash shop.
If you want to play a drow and not get suckered for 200$, there is always NWN 1 and 2 and DDO.
And technically you CAN play a dark elf in this game too... just make an elf with dark skin... the actual renegade drow that live on the surface and despise their Underdark cousins would not look like the Drow after a few generations, espeically if they inter-married with other races/elves.
Hmm the regular Drow were supposed to be opened up 60 days after release unless this has changed. Just the "Menzo Renegade" is supposed to be unique to the HOTN pack, and all that is is a minor power and a few tattoo options in the creator.
What i have read is the drow will be available for everyone 60 days after launch not just for founders. If it is just for founders then the game i love so much I'll leave cause that is what drew me to this game in the first place. I'm a big drow fan but i will not pay $200 just to play it.
Moon elves and Gold Elves are Eladrin in the new lore. So take the +2 dex +2 int stat bonus on elves, color it as it should be .. and BAM, you have a Silver Elf : )
Yea...if the fiction includes a group of friendly, good worshipping Drow, then the writers responsible fail at life.
the Drow race are ALL evil...Drizzt is an exception...although there could conceiveably be others.
Gromph Baenre had a daughter that left for the surface world and could be considered another exception.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
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The choice, as always, is in the player's hands.
The race doesn't make the role. The player does.
The menzo-renegade is purely fictional. They aren't good or bad. They just are.
They could worship Asmodeus if you want. Or they could have been exiled for being caught murdering somebody but still worship Lolth. The imagination is the limit.
It's more of a background than a race. The mechanical difference is limited to only one feature: faerie fire instead of darkfire.
And as always the player is in near-complete control of their backgrounds. If you want to roleplay an evil drow who is exiled from Menzoberanzan then feel free to do so. There are no limitations on what you can/should roleplay.
I'm still miffed that you can't pick Lolth as your deity during character creation. Boo.
But yeah. It's been repeated since Beta that they need to add the Evil Deities.
I'm sure we'll get them sooner or later. Right now there are many true mechanical issues which should be focused on in my opinion.
Imagine this (for example) ... Before the temple of Loth is good natured drow and screaming that Loth is a **** ... arounds are evil Drows who can not punish this drow, because otherwise they are killed by NPC (which would kill the traitor). And where is RP ... situations like this will be much and much .... all of them will be destroying the feels of the game for evil drow players.
Why it isnt just simple ... Want to play evil drow - choose Drow 1 .... Want to play good natued drow - choose Drow 2. In both drow races you can play many and many styles of RP ... but there are basic rules of it ...
****, I really hope that you understand what i mean by that (in my **** english :-) ).
Sadly it's part of the cuts made because this is an MMO. I'd love to see this game flushed out with optional different starting locations and such like we saw in past fan-made NWN 1 & 2 modules but for now, for launch, those features haven't been added and are not in the works. However if you ask you shall receive.
Tell Cryptic you would want such support and they'll always consider the feedback. Don't expect it overnight but keep on 'em. Remind them this is what is important to you...
And on this subject I doubt it would be hard to gain a long list of people willing to support the idea.
You are correct.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
The OP says he's been RPing Drow for years but if he knew his lore, which is essential to solid RP, he wouldn't be hating on Drizzt or making these wild references to 2 races and would instead understand the historical and cultural events that lead to the divergence in Drow civilization.
Regarding Drizzt: He wasn't the only good Drow, it just happened to be that his story was so captivating and contrasting to what most of us were familiar with that he became a Hero and, subsequently, a Legend to those of us who followed the books. It stands to reason, from a roleplaying perspective, that Drizzt's decision to cut his own path and become his own master was inspiring to many other Drow who did not appreciate the harsh and murderous ways of the Menzoberranzan and thus, many come to follow.
And for those who care (as I do) the Forgotten Realms lore indicates that "Good-aligned Drow" generally worship 'Eilistraee'
I hope that helps.
TL;DR - Drow can be any alignment, Drizzt is a boss, Get some knowledge and stop hating!
In FR lore, most dark elves once lived on the surface in the southern elven nation of Ilythiir and venerated the elven goddess Araushnee. The Ilythiir instigated several conflicts resulting in widespread war during an elven struggle for power called the "Crown Wars". The dark elves turned to the worship of dark powers, with Araushnee at the lead. For their cruelty, Araushnee was kicked out of the elven pantheon and all dark elves were driven underground by Corellon's magic becoming the drow. Araushnee became known as Lloth and has dominated dark elven culture ever since.
As for Eilistraee, she is at the time of this game dead. Of course, being a goddess, that is not always an unreversable condition.
Nope just one race of Drow. You're thinking of the goddess Eilistraee. But anyone can worship her. The Menzoberranzan renegade is literally Drizz't Do'Urden's background, created as a draw for the HoN pack so people could make Drizz't (or some cheap knock off seeing as they didn't actually release a ranger class).
The Dire Crow - Tiefling TR
Alice L'ddell - Human GF
Ludovique - Tiefling DC
You are correct for now... Drow are a cash-cow, Cryptic would be stupid to not put them on the cash shop for 20$ or more. It won't happen right away, perhaps in a year or two... they did the same with STO and some of the lifetimer stuff. as well as all of the preorder stuff got put on the cash shop.
If you want to play a drow and not get suckered for 200$, there is always NWN 1 and 2 and DDO.
And technically you CAN play a dark elf in this game too... just make an elf with dark skin... the actual renegade drow that live on the surface and despise their Underdark cousins would not look like the Drow after a few generations, espeically if they inter-married with other races/elves.
the Drow race are ALL evil...Drizzt is an exception...although there could conceiveably be others.
If that has changed in the literature, then I'm glad I havent read anything recently.
Gromph Baenre had a daughter that left for the surface world and could be considered another exception.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
Lirial Baenre if I recall correctly.