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GWF lv40+, They do get better Here is Why
zardoz007
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I have played GWF to lv 40 in Beta 4 and Open Beta, Once with a Power Crit DPS build another, With Defense Deflection.
Now towards the late 30s and after 40 a few players have posted that the GWF gets "better" in these levels. This to me, stuck me as odd, as in these levels the GWF gets no new significant power. Not until lv 45 at least.
What I did notice though is that when I played both times all I did was follow the quest chains, Srg Knox tells go to that zone I clear the zone of all quests go to next zone and repeat. Probably what most players do. So when you enter these new zones the mobs are a lv or two higher than you the are challenging that way. After lv 40 I notice I am entering new zones at a higher level compared to the mobs than I used too. The first time I faced Drow I was 2 levels higher than they were and they were push overs. I was beginning to think the mobs where not scaling properly until I fought the lv 59 Drow at lv 57. Then the familiar Great potion drinker was born again.
But in higher levels you have a lot more quests too choose from well more than you need just to reach 60 so I did not continue fighting the over leveled drow I went to another zone instead.
So my advice to all GWF is pay close attention to the mobs levels you are fighting. If they are higher than you level up on some foundry missions as they will be equal to your level. At least until the devs finally get off there butts and buff the GWF.
Now towards the late 30s and after 40 a few players have posted that the GWF gets "better" in these levels. This to me, stuck me as odd, as in these levels the GWF gets no new significant power. Not until lv 45 at least.
What I did notice though is that when I played both times all I did was follow the quest chains, Srg Knox tells go to that zone I clear the zone of all quests go to next zone and repeat. Probably what most players do. So when you enter these new zones the mobs are a lv or two higher than you the are challenging that way. After lv 40 I notice I am entering new zones at a higher level compared to the mobs than I used too. The first time I faced Drow I was 2 levels higher than they were and they were push overs. I was beginning to think the mobs where not scaling properly until I fought the lv 59 Drow at lv 57. Then the familiar Great potion drinker was born again.
But in higher levels you have a lot more quests too choose from well more than you need just to reach 60 so I did not continue fighting the over leveled drow I went to another zone instead.
So my advice to all GWF is pay close attention to the mobs levels you are fighting. If they are higher than you level up on some foundry missions as they will be equal to your level. At least until the devs finally get off there butts and buff the GWF.
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Neither of us dodged, just sat there and did our moves one after another at each other.
I didn't even bother to block, and he was dead when I was still at 75% life.
Even though I am specced for very high single target damage, I shouldn't be slapping GWFs around so easily, and having a giant sword slap me in the face should actually hurt.
There is a rumor floating around that they will receive an 'aura' buff to at least give a party/raid incentive to keep them around. But at the moment they're a wasted spot giving nothing that can't be done better by everything else. And even introducing this aura, they would become nothing more than paladins were in the early days, buff beetches.
I mean, it's not like I usually place 2nd or 3rd in dps in the level 40 dungeons~ (currently 42), and it's not like I aoe adds and groups of mobs to death with my WMS and Slam~
I must say though, fighting a TR or a CW in pvp is so painful....TR has the damage to burn me down so fast while I deal dismal dmg in return, and CW has all dem CCs to keep me away in a distance (but then, that's their role lol)
tbh, I feel GWF are fine as they are, maybe buff their damage scaling with weapons a little bit...? I have 1.7kish power on my GWF and I still deal something like 300 dmg non-crits~ lol
but it takes like 2 seconds to execute the whole animation when not in Unstoppable...and in heated boss fights with adds/boss firing aoe's everywhere, dat 2 second can mean life or death. GWF is so helpless against very mobile bosses that it's kind of painful tbh.
To get the good DPS you have to put a lot of work into it getting into the right position to do the most AOE damage.
I have found I died a lot more than on my trickster rogue I didn't think they would be so squishy. ;\
They obviously mixed up our skills? I hope my at-will slice TRIPLES in damage in the next 10 levels. Try doing that same test with a rogue, im pretty sure a rogue would do the same thing to a GWF, they're just so beefy they can fight upfront, they arnt half as squishy as people think. I only got 26 AC... armor gives 10.. dunno where the other 6 is from, but its .5% mitigation per AC... so a naked rogue would have 8% less mitigation. HP? Do rogues EVER get cons anyways? The base hp difference is probably somewhere around 10-15%... the rest is just Con, and build.
cleric companions at that level also die really really fast (wish they gave an option to rank it up past 15)
I still play mine in the hopes they will fix them a bit or bring the other classes in line. As for PVE, they are just fine, they can survive, do damage, anything the other classes do, though just not as well or as flashy, by the time I wind up for some of my aoe's most of the mobs are dead in parties and it takes a country sunday to finally get the constant sword swings to build up to decent damage, again, by then rogues and wizards have killed everything. They are no longer the go to class they were at beta 2.
Though still fun to play in my eyes.
The over all problem is the GWF is this hybrid DPSer who doesn't quite have the same AOE/CC of a Control Wizard and doesn't have the same single target damage of a TR. Most hybrids are rarely worth <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> in these kinds of games because they end up being weaker in both because they have both which just leaves them weak.
That all said it seems there's plenty of people willing/wanting to play them. On top of that, I usually end up throwing away/not using most of my pots on my Guardian and Control Wizard. Having to use them probably wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
though I may need to respec when I hit level 60...made some mistakes on power upgrades/purchases and feature tree points....
It's not he paragon Path At-will that makes the GWF "better" we get Wicked Strike at lv 20 and the two moves are very comparable. I still think Master Strike is "better" in the sense that it buffs the other at-will you are using. But alone they are very comparable.
What is the best thing to do for my GWF. I am level 17 right. Should I be putting pure DPS type talent choices? I have most likely pure dps choices but I have a little in defensive too.
1) People try to play it like a facetank....don't. Stay mobile and watch the battlefield. I try to just take out the adds and protect the groups healers...and attempt to 'control' the mobs if I can.
2) Punishing Charge used to be(BW2) a low level skill which helped immensely at staying mobile. That skill alone(imo) really makes the class shine....at least in regards to my playstyle.
Have fun and hope I may have helped! See you on the killing fields..
IGN-->Thulsa Doom
I'll throw in the fact that Sure Strike scales very poorly at 60 as our power and crit increase. Regardless of spec or build, you may as well just use WMS unless a fight requires more mobility vs a single target. The At-Will took a serious hit in BW4 and could use some attention moving forward.
I'd much rather have the GFs Cleave in Sure Strikes current state, but I'm sure they wouldn't want to trade.
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