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ugibugibugi
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EDIT: had to write this because obvious no one reads OP before whining about threat building. This post aint about threat building overall, but the games indicators and the mechanic overall (how the threat is based)
Hey folks, after been playing a fair amount of epic dungeons, im still wondering 1 thing as tank.
What is the indicators threat wise in this game?
So far mostly been using the indicator of "they are hitting you", but is there anything showing your aggro on target ( eg. low threat - threat soon will break etc)
Also am im the only 1 feeling sometimes like the threat system is deminishing if you started to kite. Example here is the throne of idris hulk kiting , that even without our healer, we had a GWF steal aggro on them after some time, even when he didnt damage them at all.
Hey folks, after been playing a fair amount of epic dungeons, im still wondering 1 thing as tank.
What is the indicators threat wise in this game?
So far mostly been using the indicator of "they are hitting you", but is there anything showing your aggro on target ( eg. low threat - threat soon will break etc)
Also am im the only 1 feeling sometimes like the threat system is deminishing if you started to kite. Example here is the throne of idris hulk kiting , that even without our healer, we had a GWF steal aggro on them after some time, even when he didnt damage them at all.
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I'm still amazed that there is no official word on this, although I'm sure most GWFs don't care as they want to focus purely on DPS.
| Lust | Level 60 Guardian Fighter 15.8k GS|
It's a bit different for GWF warriors, good GF can hold threat decently well, at least on single target boss style fights.
I agree, and that should really be how things play out if a GWF intends on playing a backup tank. The GF should worry about the heavy hitters while the GWF deals with the packs, either through straight DPS or by getting their attention. Sadly, the Sentinel threat generation feats do not aid the class in accomplishing that in the current state of the game.
This is why many players that do try the Sentinel path do not give it a second look. Many will just respec into the typical DPS builds and not take the time to provide feedback on how messed up the feats are.
| Lust | Level 60 Guardian Fighter 15.8k GS|
same with the aoe taunt... it works only on minions. Anyway its to hard for tank to keep aggro. You just cant keep up with your threat bulding abilities to the dps output dps classes are doing, so tank becomes useless in a fight
p.s. abilities like aoe taunt, or daily healing spell/CC immunity spell should be castable while Guard is up... Its looses its point if enemies are hitting you to lower the Guard just to cast little healing spell and take double the gamage making it same as if you woudolnt lower Guard and not casted the spell
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Also, why all abilities require cast time - meaning the character is holding in place in casting animation? Taunt, daily healing spell and mark abilities should be castable withotu animation - while you keep Guard ability up. Otherwise they are just nonsense. You loose Guard, and half your hp just to cast stupid thing while mobs are hitting you...
Devs should try playing tanks in dungeons and see how useless they are with current skills design. While playing one you simply dont feel like a tank... It feels like some tank wannabe HAMSTER dps class.
With that said, i know how to hold aggro in this game havent had issues so far, except you just have to get used to its not wow where you 1 button taunt the world for 3 years.
The question i put out is about aggro indicators and if the model uses deminishing aggro. not about building threat...
so far 5 out of 12 epic dungeons cleared.
And i dont know how it is now, but when i was playing WoW good tank was a synonim of a tank that doesnt allow enemies to damage the healer. He had tools for that, and bad tanks could still let that happen. In NW tank dont have such tools, at least not at my level which makes him close to useless.
And while giving him some not very effective tool that can be casted only while setting yourself totally vulnerable to damage (lowering guard) is just silly.
On a side note will add-ons be added later on?
Nobody can tank mobs except a cleric or a crazy AOE dps wizard. Sorry, it's borked and crazy but that's what it is. Anyone trying to build GF or GWF for mob tanking will be extremely disappointed.
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To OP: Nope, NO indicators. Some bosses have a circle around them that starts to go blue in a direction to show in which direction he is focusing... but most do not. Your indication that someone (cleric likely) pulled the boss is when the boss puts a red circle at location of that someone. It's kind of weird because on one hand it is care-bearing us with the red circle to know when to avoid but the game cannot bother with aggro indicators, like Tera has circles under your feet. A bit stupid.
the blue is combat advantage not a threat marker. It shows you will do extra damage hitting from that spot ,because a friendly i near on the opposite side.
only thing i suspect is that i see question and exclamation marks over the head of the mobs sometimes, but problem is that the position of those marks and really hard to see through 900 magical effects, makes it impossible to use those indicators.
and to the offtopic: tanking is by far different than it is in other MMOs. you will never be able to keep full uptime on adds. so you have to prioritise on keeping either boss in check or adds . its doable to keep both , but most of the time it will break your guard and make you vurnerable. that is one of the reasons knight's valor is a great mitigater on heavy add fights.
Nope that the Combat advantage propositioning marker, so you can see where to stand to get CA.
As for threat there's only the mob hitting/not hitting me.
You lose mark if you are damaged by the marked mob.
And the animations are ok. You have to plan when you use your abilities. You cannot just stop and heal or taunt while being hammered by mobs.
Edit: forgot about the OP.
The only threat indications I'm aware of are mobs walking towards me and/or hitting me. I noticed too that some mobs are immune to taunt abilities (hulks, mimics, that annoying jumping werewolves, etc).
Tanking was never a trend role... never saw a single MMO that had a surplus of tanks. In Neverwinter, tanking is very different so people just need to adjust.
Noticed the drum too, but aint that only a "combat started" indicator? never noticed it at the moment i get new aggro targets.
I've noticed it the moment that mobs look at me. Then again, I'm a Cleric, so somehow I always end up being the first or second person they look at, regardless of how long I stand there twiddling my thumbs.
could be a lead to understand the indicators ^^ if you got the time, try watch if the enemy get an exclamation mark over their head when you get the aggro from them. Still not sure if it is one of the indicators ^^
Exclamation marks are an effect caused by the Enforced Threat or similar abilities. The tank can see which mobs were affected by it by looking at the exclamation marks.
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I wrote question marks earlier and my answer was supposed to be about Exclamation marks. Corrected.
question marks has been seen many times pre me taunting (example a gwf going yolo in before i can pull..) so the question mark aint a gf spell marker.
example i just ran a CT token run and they killed the group before i came to it. the dead mobs had ? over their heads.
I'm stupid. All the text in my previous post was meant to me about EXCLAMATION marks, not question ones. Sorry for the confusion I will edit it there.
That said, question marks are based on the trickster rogue's stealth abilities. When they vanish that ? appears over the mobs (I don't know if this is area based or if the mobs with the ? are the ones that had agro on the rogue).
The gwf can fill the role of off-tank, so I think they have some sort of threat heavy ability. These abilities could trigger the exclamation too, that's why I said "Enforced Threat or similar abilities", cause other classes can have it too (but I doubt any class besides the GF and GWF will have it). Never said it was a GF only feature.