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great weapon fighter and trickster rogue :)

xulynxulyn Member Posts: 21 Arc User
edited June 2013 in PvE Discussion
hello guys just asking litle advice here :) i am myself between great weapon fighter and rogue atm i know how is the rogue playstyle and they are best class atm but i am heard only bad about weapon fighter are they really so bad? i personaly would prefer weapon fighter but if i need to work 100% harder then rogue and still loosing on dps by far then there is no point :P just asking some opinions how they are doing :)
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  • mutepoint1mutepoint1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 36
    edited May 2013
    At the moment, per hit damage, and overall DPS, the rogue is far superior, at least at lower levels. Not sure how they stand later.
  • purutzilpurutzil Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    At 45 now and rogues till beat out GWF, CW is ahead as well with aoe from GWF. Sadly, GWF is just very gimp. At least I'm not next to the tank/healer anymore with damage but its still a good notch below the other two. Perhaps later they can actually be on par.
    GWF level 60 (Beholder) - The pains of leveling!
    Cleric level 5X (Dragon) - Holy goblin so much easier!
  • fattypatty1fattypatty1 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    At 60 with gear GWF takes the lead in most groups, when played right. The right build and gear set-up is very important. They don't have the single target of rogues or wizards, but their aoe on the smaller adds is amazing for most fights.

    Basic strat is to get a GF or CW to pull all the adds to one spot, then the GWF cleaves through them like warm butter. They have their uses, just not early game. You will start seeing more damage when you get max level.
  • divastationdivastation Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    GWF has a harder leveling time, but they overpower everything at end game.
  • cydericcyderic Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    My god please stop with this "best and worst" class bull****. Rogue is not the best class and GWF is not the worst. The thing is, what you want to do with your class?

    You want to **** that boss really hard? So take a rogue (yea, here it IS the best class).
    You want to heal and supp? Take Cleric
    You want to never die? Take GF
    You want CC the masses? Take Mage
    You want that ****ing heavy AOE to smash all these creeps away? Take GWF

    The point why all say the GWF is so weak is because they all want to do a rogue clone. The GWF is NOT made for single target damage. He is not and with the current skills he will never be. And thats why the GWF is weaker than other classes until at least 25.

    But really...in Helm

    EDIT
    Wow...forum cut my post...i dont write it again nvm...
  • tenkurotenkuro Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Rogue early game. GWF end game. PVE and PVP.
  • xulynxulyn Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    early game dosntmatter much for me :) only endgame :)
  • sartorrssartorrs Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    i'm only get lvl 25 with gwf but i ever stay in 1 or 2 in all pvps matchs.
    i realy don't know why ppl say he is bad, i love this class :D
  • townherotownhero Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    GWF owns at all levels. did a ton of pvp at lvl 15 and took 1st place 7 times in a row. Beat ouyt rogues every match. 10 kills 0 deaths, most dmg by 10k. all day every day.
  • zardoz007zardoz007 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Have seen Damage built GF's out damage the hell out of rogues and GWF end game. So yeah there is no real reason why the GWF suddenly gets better end game like everyone says. They don't get any new abilities past level 40 that are game changing, there gear is not better than any other classes gear. I think ppl say they get better is because they have an easy time going through the world laughing at high numbers of weak mobs that can't hurt them, but still might be able to swarm and kill a rogue.
  • encadiencadi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 67
    edited May 2013
    townhero wrote: »
    GWF owns at all levels. did a ton of pvp at lvl 15 and took 1st place 7 times in a row. Beat ouyt rogues every match. 10 kills 0 deaths, most dmg by 10k. all day every day.


    Rogue troll in disguise. 2H Warrior is rpetty gimp atm compared to the rest of the classes
  • mutepoint1mutepoint1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 36
    edited May 2013
    A great sword should do more damage in a single hit than a dagger. That is why 2 handed builds work in pen and paper. The rogue should be better damage when sneak attacking, and maybe even better over time damage overall, but the fact remains.. You're swinging a huge piece of steel around, and doing about half the damage that little dude over there is doing with his tiny dagger every time you hit. Which makes no sense at all.

    Yes, the argument could be made that the rogue is striking at vital areas... Of which, zombies have none by the way... The GWF is swinging through them, even in full plate armor, that's going to do a lot of damage. It just doesn't make any sense at all for there to be such a huge difference in single target damage per attack.

    Now, if the rogue swung both daggers in each click, that I could see doing the same, or slightly better.
  • sepheresephere Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Well, it depends on what your playstyle is, op.


    Do you like to run in and attack things straight on, with wide aoe attacks?
    If so, your class is Great Weapon Fighter

    Do you like to attack from behind, or unnoticed,
    and let someone else take the brunt of the mobs attacks, while you try not to take damage?
    If so, then your class is Trickster Rogue


    Both classes have completely different playstyles, especially in midlevels where it becomes more noticeable.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Some pretty obvious trolls and/or Rogue alts here:
    tenkuro wrote: »
    Rogue early game. GWF end game. PVE and PVP.

    So an AOE-focussed class with lower DPS beats a single target class with higher DPS in PvP? Guess it could happen if the enemy team just stands AFK clumped up in front of you.

    sartorrs wrote: »
    i'm only get lvl 25 with gwf but i ever stay in 1 or 2 in all pvps matchs.
    i realy don't know why ppl say he is bad, i love this class :D

    Never seen a GWF come top in any PvP and mine is level 42 now - they are usually near the bottom. Please post videos - begin first or second EVERY TIME means that this should be easy for you, right?
    townhero wrote: »
    GWF owns at all levels. did a ton of pvp at lvl 15 and took 1st place 7 times in a row. Beat ouyt rogues every match. 10 kills 0 deaths, most dmg by 10k. all day every day.

    ROFL. Seriously - if you want to postpone the time when the Devs inevitably boost other classes then at least try to make these comments somewhat believable, okay?
  • baofengyubaofengyu Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Your still losing trying 100% harder. Roll a rogue.
  • mutepoint1mutepoint1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 36
    edited May 2013
    After playing around with AOE some more, and putting points into the AOE skills, I have come to the conclusion that.. While it would still be more realistic to have the GWF do more per click on the single target skill than the rogue does... and have the rogue's far superior attack speed more than make up the difference... if you play it as an AOE class instead of spamming left click when you're surrounded, the GWF works much better.

    So yeah, it all comes down to play style. What do YOU want to do? Sneak in, stab people in the back, and hope they die before you do? Or run in, smacking everyone at once and hoping they all die before you do?
  • clownshockclownshock Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    baofengyu wrote: »
    Your still losing trying 100% harder. Roll a rogue.

    why roll a rouge when there the best populated class atm now, start to be like when perfect world got assasin.
  • vortix44vortix44 Member Posts: 680 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    xulyn wrote: »
    weapon fighter but if i need to work 100% harder then rogue and still loosing on dps by far

    Yes that's the idea.
    English is not my first language.
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