Really? So how does the lowest single target DPS class beat the highest? Might be true but I have never a GWF 1v1 a TR in PvP. In fact I don't think I've even seen GWF win 2v1 a TR since a well played TR has currently enough DPS to kill one GWF then run. If you have other classes to CC, then yes a GWF with support could beat a unsupported TR, but that is hardly the definition of counter......
Really? So how does the lowest single target DPS class beat the highest? Might be true but I have never a GWF 1v1 a TR in PvP. In fact I don't think I've even seen GWF win 2v1 a TR since a well played TR has currently enough DPS to kill one GWF then run. If you have other classes to CC, then yes a GWF with support could beat a unsupported TR, but that is hardly the definition of counter......
im not going to start some "this class is OP" QQ *****fest because the forums are already full of them. I was saying that as general rule of thumb, and what I meant by it is that the GWF and the GF can survive a TR's burst, and then turn around and DPS him right back, whereas the TR will just obliterate any caster.
There are variables, scenarios, and situations ,sure where the TR will beat the GWF or the GF, but those are still his counters. But going by your comment, it would mean that a TR can kill every single other class in the game, and that is plain not true.
Any GWF or GF worth half his weight in salt will just survive the initial burst, and then gap-close your *** and stick on you so you can't stealth away.
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im not going to start some "this class is OP" QQ *****fest because the forums are already full of them. I was saying that as general rule of thumb, and what I meant by it is that the GWF and the GF can survive a TR's burst, and then turn around and DPS him right back, whereas the TR will just obliterate any caster.
There are variables, scenarios, and situations ,sure where the TR will beat the GWF or the GF, but those are still his counters. But going by your comment, it would mean that a TR can kill every single other class in the game, and that is plain not true.
Any GWF or GF worth half his weight in salt will just survive the initial burst, and then gap-close your *** and stick on you so you can't stealth away.
you haven't done much pvp have you? currently the tr in a 1v1 standpoint beats everything. it's not an initial burst then stealth away the tr can simply continue bursting you the entire fight. i've faced gfs and gwfs worth his weight in salt as you say and still came out on top because the damage they deal to me can't keep up with my lifesteal and burst.
CW has the most AE abilities, but I don't know if that means does the most AE damage. I still think TRs and GWFs (later on) are up there if not past there in raw damage.
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if talking about PvP think of this game like rock-paper-scissors.
... GWF beats TR beats CW beats GF beats DC ... and so on
if you understand what i mean by that
Really? So how does the lowest single target DPS class beat the highest? Might be true but I have never a GWF 1v1 a TR in PvP. In fact I don't think I've even seen GWF win 2v1 a TR since a well played TR has currently enough DPS to kill one GWF then run. If you have other classes to CC, then yes a GWF with support could beat a unsupported TR, but that is hardly the definition of counter......
im not going to start some "this class is OP" QQ *****fest because the forums are already full of them. I was saying that as general rule of thumb, and what I meant by it is that the GWF and the GF can survive a TR's burst, and then turn around and DPS him right back, whereas the TR will just obliterate any caster.
There are variables, scenarios, and situations ,sure where the TR will beat the GWF or the GF, but those are still his counters. But going by your comment, it would mean that a TR can kill every single other class in the game, and that is plain not true.
Any GWF or GF worth half his weight in salt will just survive the initial burst, and then gap-close your *** and stick on you so you can't stealth away.
Elf Control Wizard - Dragon
This guy is right but he has the counters lined up wrong.
For example a strong counter to the Wizard is the Guardian Fighter because he can straight up block most of his CC he's dealing out.