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Level 28 Guardian Fighter out tanked by rank 6 companion
jeffnsylmar
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Just did the Storming the Keep skirmish on my lvl 28 Guardian Fighter, specced for taunts and tanking. Was consistently out taunted and tanked by a lvl 25 Trickster Rogues' Rank 6 Man-At-Arms companion. The first time I did this skirmish, I easily took twice the damage of everyone else in the party. This time I barely topped the list.
The only time I could consistently taunt the end boss was when the companion took a dirt nap. Within 60 seconds of it being rezzed, it was back on the top of the threat list.
There is something seriously wrong with that.
So the best way to roll a tank in this game is to pick a damage class and level up an NPC companion?
The only time I could consistently taunt the end boss was when the companion took a dirt nap. Within 60 seconds of it being rezzed, it was back on the top of the threat list.
There is something seriously wrong with that.
So the best way to roll a tank in this game is to pick a damage class and level up an NPC companion?
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As a GF I can confirm that we need some sort of aggro buff. Everyone pulls it way too easily.
Its nice that I can take about a billion hits to die, but it's not at all nice if a wet noodle can pull aggro from me and make it virtually impossible to get back.
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So if a tank companion can out tank a GF, it would follow that a healer or dps companion should out-heal or out-dps the equivalent player class. You would be okay with that?
companions die pretty easily (save for the Zen tank one). and from some testing with a group i run with, we get more silver (yeah not even a gold) without companions in elite dungeons.
Ability Scores || All Attribute Roll Combinations || My Cleric Stream \o/
I'm actually hopeful they will change this at some point simply b/c I don't see too many people wanting to play tank as it is in its current form. While they might be trying to stay true to D&D rules, in this particular case the rules are stupid and they should break them.
But yeah, right now GF threat is just HAMSTER I gave up on mine at 25. If they ever change it so they're more of an actual tank I'll probably pick it back up but them being so horrid at tanking coupled with the content at this level being so laughably easy I didn't really see the point of sticking with GF.
That's D&D PnP. Not Neverwinter. Also, if what they said was true, why is the tank companion able to hold threat? Threat exists, and it's meant to be held. However threat generation for the GF is broken, while the rogue's damage and DC's heals throw up too much.
Well, I guess its good to know I'm not crazy. I've primarily played tank characters for a number of mmo's and this is the worst I've ever seen it. I'll shelve this tank for a while and see if they change it.
In the same way, threat is not all there is to a tank, and im sure that the tank companion was not more survivable than you were. Infact maybe having the tank companions have as much threat as they do is so that they can still be a viable choice of companion for a tank player. Consider it just an additional level of damage mitigation.
That said, unrelated to companions in general, threat in this game definitely needs to be adjusted.
From my experience GFs can at least hold threat on one or two targets and later on thats important.
Late game bosses can make pasties out of other classes in only 2 or 3 hits, having someone to tank the bosses is rather important.
Considering how easy trash is relative to boss fights in my experience so far thats what matters anyway, you hardly need a tank on general trash pulls between bosses.
This is kinda what I am hoping for with my Guardian Fighter and the only thing keeping me going on him instead of making a Control Wizard. I look at the end boss in Cragmire Crypts as the penultimate example of how encounters can go (I'm sure there's one rougher). It's basically a boss that hits ultra hard (1000-2000 a hit/ability which is a lot at around 25) with a large amount of other trash in the room at the same time. Most people are dealing with the trash while the Guardian's job is to basically keep the boss on them rather than running down your Cleric. Most cases that will utterly destroy basic Companions.
My main concern with Companions aren't the Man At Arms who caps out pretty quickly at level 15 and won't scale in power after that. It's the ones like the Rock Golem from the Zen store which has a spammable hard taunt which with it's survivability can completely replace our role entirely. Sure it lacks AOE tanking, but we can't AOE tank very long either because of how the Guard/Mark mechanic works.
Even though can pull just a few sec of agro, either the boss spawns to another spot and leave u kinda useless (if you charge is on cooldown) or someone else grabs agro in seconds.
The second time it was a rogue, he even died because of nonstop gaining agro, he get back up his feet and poof, he got agro again.
Can't agree with you more. It is harder to tank in nw then in other mmo games,and that makes it fun but that constant aggro losing,and companions can make more threat then tanks is just stupid. And it would be nice to see some kind of indicator that you are about to lose your aggro.
KILL ADDS, while I tank the boss. If the boss has no aggro table then I will tank adds. I think alot of the players playing NW treat dungeons like WoW or other mainstream games where they believe we can hold aggro by auto attacking, which is not the case in NW.
My suggestion would be to generate threat off of blocking, some sort of counter dmg measure besides spec talents.
You will have a slight better understanding about the class
Threat will become easier to manage after level 36 (pending your feats). Though TR and CW will still be very hard to pull off of... if not impossible. I think it is all depends on feats you take and they take.
DC can have issues too however my real partner built with threat reduction and i can pull MOBs off him 100% of the time. Poorly built clerics will get more attention. Though the more and more I play I start to question if their is even a need for a GF at all. If you can keep out of red stuff... there is little need at least up to level 50 content.
So much whining on a class without playing it fully. Takes 5-6 days of casual play to get to 60 where everything opens up for you. Who cares if you can't tank at 26. What would kill you at 26 that's so hard? Nothing.
I completely agree that it isn't the sexiest class to play, but it does it's job really well.
Some of the later dungeons, those level 15 tank companions don't last very long at all.
Toons:
New: CW Level 60
GF = Level 60
DC = Level 60
TR = Level 60
For many, the journey is far more important than the destination. I don't WANT to rush to 60 for end game content. I want to be an effective tank at level 10, so my level 10 cleric friend doesn't take all the aggro.
Cleric pulls aggro with the healing alot, but you can pull it back if you do it right.
Alot of players are forgetting that if you take lots of damage as tank, without blocking, the threat just vanishes.
Just constantly keeping yourself busy, also remember not quite the true tank and it's possible to get off the boss now and again to grab those adds.
Also a later dungeon where you fight an ice troll (it's all i'll say for spoilers) tank will need to get off the boss and kite alot of those adds that spawn.
Toons:
New: CW Level 60
GF = Level 60
DC = Level 60
TR = Level 60
I have same issue and is very frustrating.When I was learning to tank in this game 1st my issue was with dps players doing a lot of aggro,I dont mind loosing aggro to another player cause that may means I need to learn a few things.And thats what I did. I was missing some knowledge,I learned, and now dps aggro is not a big issue most of the time.Now,tank companions looks like they have some kind of permanent taunt lol.Doing all I learned to keep aggro from DPS players wont work for tank companions.Only time I can take aggro from them is when I taunt(just for a few secs) and when I use the 1 on 1 challenge ability.Other than that I cant take aggro from those tank companions.Really not being able to do your role because a AI npc is very frustrating.I was very happy for the mechanics of being able to use companions in dungeons, but after that bad experience with tank companion I dont want companions in instances.Of course thats not the proper way to fix the issue.I suggest that the devs take a look at tank companions and maybe nerf a bit their aggro gain.