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Guardian Fighters, Half Elves and some questions.
trique76
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As I stated in another thread my first though was roll a GWF since day one when the class was announced. Now, I totally dropped the idea. SO I will roll a Guardian just for testing. I want to know things...
1) Is it possible roll a more dps-ish GF?
2) Shall I keep CON raising (18+2) or spread points in STR? If so, how many?
3) What classes suits better? I read somewhere else that the extra human feat brings little to the GF, being the only case regarding classes. So are half-elves any good thanks to their +2 CON and +1 deflection? What about the drow? I'd like to skip tieflings and halflings.
1) Is it possible roll a more dps-ish GF?
2) Shall I keep CON raising (18+2) or spread points in STR? If so, how many?
3) What classes suits better? I read somewhere else that the extra human feat brings little to the GF, being the only case regarding classes. So are half-elves any good thanks to their +2 CON and +1 deflection? What about the drow? I'd like to skip tieflings and halflings.
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2) Nothing wrong with str+con all the way to 60.
3) Dwarf with +2 str and +2 con fits perfectly.
And Dwarves. hehe Thanks a lot but how many points should a place in STR if there is no dps build for him?
Guess I will safe he half elve for the paladin.
1.) If you want to do DPS, you're still far better off with a GWF. My tank-specced but still DPS capable GF, who took the "conqueror" paragon line of feats (DPS), consistently took last or second to last place in the DPS charts, only topping the cleric. Hell of a tank, tho: felt invincible. Made it to lvl 50. Definitely the easiest class to solo with.
2.) Your guard meter goes off STR, so it's wise to invest in this stat. I started mine at 14, and put a point into it and CON at every opportunity.
3.) I think halflings and tieflings make good guardian fighters. Halflings also get the con bonus, and a +3% deflection bonus. Definitely a better choice. I personally went Tiefling for the DPS bonus.
Thanks! That raised another question: I am also thinking about rolling a dps cleric. That means that even GF can output their damage? Or you mean a heal-focus cleric? I rolled one earlier today and took me 2 lance to kill a zombie in the **** area while the GF takes 3 slashs. I always though the cleric could do more damage than GF. If you mind to explain I will really appreciate.
The cleric is certainly capable of out-DPSing the guardian fighter, but most clerics (foolishly) do not spec for this. They certainly add more to the group when they do.
Make no mistake, they might call it the holy trinity, but there are actually only 2 roles in this game: tank and DPS. The GF, and even a properly specced CW, are both MUCH better at mitigating damage for the group than the cleric. But the cleric can fill the DPS role.
A DPS specced cleric who can toss a substantial heal here and there would certainly be helpful.
Now Cryptic just needs to double all the cleric's healing and buffing spells, and they'll be in line with the other classes.
I've complained about cleric DPS before, but I honestly think the problem is that most people don't properly spec DPS into their cleric's builds.
But personally, I think that overall, clerics are the weakest class in the game right now. The only class that can't out-DPS them is the GF, who definitely fills the leader/protector role far better. The only reason I would want a cleric in my group is if I couldn't find a guardian fighter, and I was very confident in my one or more CW.
This was very helpful! I wonder if I roll a dps cleric what my roles in groups should be... everyone will expect me to heal them, of course... But I never liked support classes. So I fear if I spec fully into dps (my intention if I roll a cleric) I will find no group or people will be angry with less healing.
My main problem, my friend, is that so far I didnt find any class for me. I always wanted to play with GWF, but afaik (and saw in BW) the class is totally broken so I am trying to figure a replacement.
There is one problem with the GF, I feel that I may get tired to play a paladin (sword and shield too) when they come out since I've spent so much time with a similar class.
I really don't think people will expect that. I think it's pretty well known, that in any action combat game, survival is largely up to the individual - there is no nanny that can move you out of the red splat. Furthermore, potions are by far the most effective measure for healing, beyond any cleric's capability, and this is widely known.
However, my honest advice is to try the GWF again. I love em, personally. I'm going to be rolling a GF and a GWF.
It's worth noting, however, that I play clerics in every other MMO. I was disappointed in my usual go-to class in Neverwinter, but found I absolutely loved the classes I typically never play in other games. I think other people are going to find experiences similar to mine. Classes, their functions, their roles and abilities in this game are drastically different than what we've become accustomed to in other games. If you're willing to experiment, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I never play as support in any game, but I tried the GWF and the cleric in all four bw. I kinda liked the cleric and found the GWF totally awesome in looks but somehow broke... It was too fragile and things didnt die as fast like when played with... my cleric. I though it was just me till I saw the many complains here and now people are saying this gets worse at lvl 30+. It really scares me, man... Rolling a character, spend so much time and found how his class roke it is. hehe Guess I should try either the cleric (again) or the GF.
Oh wait, I already did!
No one likes to see a class that they've invested time or money into be reduced in power, but, in my honest opinion, it wasn't unwarranted for the GWF, nor was it overdone. I found that they were still extremely fun to play, did better damage than any class other than the TR, and survived better than any class other than the GF. Basically, that they performed their function - as a secondary damage dealer and a secondary tank - perfectly. Previously, they were a primary damage dealer and a secondary tank.
Changes like this are to be expected in beta testing, and frankly, this is why beta testing is better left to randomly selected testers than paying participants: because without an investment in a character, they can see adjustments from an unbiased point of view.
I don't blame you for being upset about the changes, but I'd be honestly surprised if you didn't still enjoy the class. Your perception of it changed much more than the thing itself.
No, no, I am not upset with the changes at all.
And to be honest everything I read today only demoted me from trying... till your post. I beta tested many games in these years so I am totally used to changes and that is the whole point, but running with my GWF was both cool and somehow frustrating. I didnt invested too much time lvling my characters during beta because I didnt want spoil too much from the game (I am a huge fan of D&D and FR and all previous neverwinter games) and I certainly spent more time as cleric than anything. So my opinion is based on everything I read here and my own short experience.
What the hell are you doing here talking to me anyways?!
Have fun on whatever character you decide to roll. On the 30th, I'll be rolling up a CW first, followed shortly by a GF and a GWF. Feel free to hit me up.
I could use a cleric friend :P
The negative crowd is always the loudest, this is pretty much true to everything in life. On saturday I'm jumping in on my GWF and, given they didn't change anything since BWE4 I'm going to have a blast