This might be a very silly questions but it would seem to me that the Drow/Menzo Drow racials are very weak when compared to the other races.
Is this because they are a race which isnt going to be released yet. And will we be able to pick a drow if we have HOTN pack?
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kotliMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 577
edited April 2013
Racial Weak you don't know as no one got the numbers on their secondary ability (I keep asking for proof when they start throwing around numbers but never seen it). The only thing we know is the trance one is Meh but then most races have 1 Meh ability.
Menzo and Drow are two difference races in game and us HotN will be able to create both after the standard Drow are released.
Are they different races or is it the same race with a different skin when Renegade background is chosen?
And yes the Trance is the meh part and to be fair I'm not throwing numbers around. I am just slightly annoyed that we're so close to OB and I am not confident in what race to choose.
I'm hoping Trance will shorten the camp time for injuries, that would make it WAY more useful.
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kotliMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 577
edited April 2013
I wasn't saying you are, it a reference to the other guys who been talking about Drow and Menzos are posting numbers (basically it saying that that theres some numbers around but they are unreliable).
Its a different race, the HotN pack says 'Unique Playable Race' also it get a completely different racial Faerie Fire compared to the Drow Darkfire.
BTW the numbers in those posts are 6% damage and defence debuff cant remember the chance (but as I said it unconfirmed).
I wasn't saying you are, it a reference to the other guys who been talking about Drow and Menzos are posting numbers (basically it saying that that theres some numbers around but they are unreliable).
Its a different race, the HotN pack says 'Unique Playable Race' also it get a completely different racial Faerie Fire compared to the Drow Darkfire.
BTW the numbers in those posts are 6% damage and defence debuff cant remember the chance (but as I said it unconfirmed).
Ok thanks for that. For some reason I was thinking that Menzo Drow were jusr Drow with a different background and skin.
This might be a very silly questions but it would seem to me that the Drow/Menzo Drow racials are very weak when compared to the other races.
Is this because they are a race which isnt going to be released yet. And will we be able to pick a drow if we have HOTN pack?
In the end the end game racial choice is not going to make much difference. I went through a comparison of a Half-Orc GWF versus a Drow one, in the end I came to the conclusion that a Drow is no different than a Half-Orc with 2-3 misplaced feats. No racial choice is really going to be a game breaker. The important thing is to get your Ability Score Array, Powers, Feats, and Ability Level Ups in a nice synergy that is at least close to maximized. Even at that another 2-3 errant choices are not going to be horrible. As long as you are careful with your starting Ability Score Array you can always respec powers with Zen and reset feats with AD to adjust to what you have learned later.
Mind you that a Half-Orc focuses on Str > Dex where a Drow needs to focus on Str > Dex > Cha and they both need to be offensive builds. Because the Cha helps with Combat Advantage damage it offsets some of the losses to the Half-Orc.
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colhatickMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited April 2013
I don't think it will matter what race you pick. If you're forced to play a specific race for a certain class to be considered effective then I consider that a design flaw.
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xervaiMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited April 2013
Humans get 3 more feat points and the ability to buff any stat. For some classes that's pretty strong. The rest of the racials seem pretty weak in comparison.
I'll probably be playing a Human just because of that alone. The rest of the races just seem silly to me.
I don't think it will matter what race you pick. If you're forced to play a specific race for a certain class to be considered effective then I consider that a design flaw.
This is a reason why I loved the way GW2 did it. But on Neverwinter minmaxing will make a race to be better than another, even if slightly.
In the end the end game racial choice is not going to make much difference. I went through a comparison of a Half-Orc GWF versus a Drow one, in the end I came to the conclusion that a Drow is no different than a Half-Orc with 2-3 misplaced feats. No racial choice is really going to be a game breaker. The important thing is to get your Ability Score Array, Powers, Feats, and Ability Level Ups in a nice synergy that is at least close to maximized. Even at that another 2-3 errant choices are not going to be horrible. As long as you are careful with your starting Ability Score Array you can always respec powers with Zen and reset feats with AD to adjust to what you have learned later.
Mind you that a Half-Orc focuses on Str > Dex where a Drow needs to focus on Str > Dex > Cha and they both need to be offensive builds. Because the Cha helps with Combat Advantage damage it offsets some of the losses to the Half-Orc.
My choice is between Orc or Drow for Trickster Rogue. Since the rogue needs dex/str/cha, the drow seems to be a good enough choice.
My choice is between Orc or Drow for Trickster Rogue. Since the rogue needs dex/str/cha, the drow seems to be a good enough choice.
You will be fine there yeah. In closed beta I tried three different rogues. An Elf heavy Dex that tried to balance Str and Cha build, a Half-Orc Str / Dex build, and a Half-Elf Dex / Cha build. IMO the Elf was the weakest build. Both the Half-Orc and Half-Elf played really well, there really was not a huge difference in a Str versus a Cha focus as a secondary stat to Dex. I think that either is fine as long as you focus on one or the other but not both.
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kotliMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 577
You will be fine there yeah. In closed beta I tried three different rogues. An Elf heavy Dex that tried to balance Str and Cha build, a Half-Orc Str / Dex build, and a Half-Elf Dex / Cha build. IMO the Elf was the weakest build. Both the Half-Orc and Half-Elf played really well, there really was not a huge difference in a Str versus a Cha focus as a secondary stat to Dex. I think that either is fine as long as you focus on one or the other but not both.
I run the maths for Tiefling and Orc and the difference in there stats is minimal in terms of DPS even for a GWF (the largest DPS diffence was ~6% if the orc had 100% crit).
i hope in the new drow version, i like drow but i hate play weak race
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I don't understand why people pick a race just because of their racial. WoW made that terrible mistake it made humans on alliance side such a cliche' choice because of the pvp trinket ect.
I say: "Pick a character you think is fun". Like a halfling GWF because that looks <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Or maybe halfling trickster rogue because they are small and agile. Or a human because they are charismatic. Or maybe an elf because they always look intellectual i.e for caster / ranger trickster. My point is ; make whatever character you want ^^
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I don't understand why people pick a race just because of their racial. WoW made that terrible mistake it made humans on alliance side such a cliche' choice because of the pvp trinket ect.
I say: "Pick a character you think is fun". Like a halfling GWF because that looks <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Or maybe halfling trickster rogue because they are small and agile. Or a human because they are charismatic. Or maybe an elf because they always look intellectual i.e for caster / ranger trickster. My point is ; make whatever character you want ^^
Min maxers and stat based games will always be bedfellows.
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plexar17Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 1Arc User
I don't understand why people pick a race just because of their racial. WoW made that terrible mistake it made humans on alliance side such a cliche' choice because of the pvp trinket ect.
I say: "Pick a character you think is fun". Like a halfling GWF because that looks <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Or maybe halfling trickster rogue because they are small and agile. Or a human because they are charismatic. Or maybe an elf because they always look intellectual i.e for caster / ranger trickster. My point is ; make whatever character you want ^^
These are supposed to be built of DnD rules. If you have ever played DnD you will know that certain races definitely make sense for certain classes. Just like you wouldn't expect to see a half-orc wizard very often you also wouldn't expect to see some other races be other classes either. This to me makes a lot of sense and I like this part of Neverwinter. But "picking a race just off it's racials" isn't really what we are talking about. We are talking about a sort of "balance playing field" which the drow are at a disadvantage due to one crappy racial in Trance.
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dixa1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 4Arc User
edited April 2013
too bad they didnt give legit racials - like faerie fire and levitation
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Menzo and Drow are two difference races in game and us HotN will be able to create both after the standard Drow are released.
And yes the Trance is the meh part and to be fair I'm not throwing numbers around. I am just slightly annoyed that we're so close to OB and I am not confident in what race to choose.
Its a different race, the HotN pack says 'Unique Playable Race' also it get a completely different racial Faerie Fire compared to the Drow Darkfire.
BTW the numbers in those posts are 6% damage and defence debuff cant remember the chance (but as I said it unconfirmed).
Ok thanks for that. For some reason I was thinking that Menzo Drow were jusr Drow with a different background and skin.
In the end the end game racial choice is not going to make much difference. I went through a comparison of a Half-Orc GWF versus a Drow one, in the end I came to the conclusion that a Drow is no different than a Half-Orc with 2-3 misplaced feats. No racial choice is really going to be a game breaker. The important thing is to get your Ability Score Array, Powers, Feats, and Ability Level Ups in a nice synergy that is at least close to maximized. Even at that another 2-3 errant choices are not going to be horrible. As long as you are careful with your starting Ability Score Array you can always respec powers with Zen and reset feats with AD to adjust to what you have learned later.
Mind you that a Half-Orc focuses on Str > Dex where a Drow needs to focus on Str > Dex > Cha and they both need to be offensive builds. Because the Cha helps with Combat Advantage damage it offsets some of the losses to the Half-Orc.
I'll probably be playing a Human just because of that alone. The rest of the races just seem silly to me.
This is a reason why I loved the way GW2 did it. But on Neverwinter minmaxing will make a race to be better than another, even if slightly.
My choice is between Orc or Drow for Trickster Rogue. Since the rogue needs dex/str/cha, the drow seems to be a good enough choice.
You will be fine there yeah. In closed beta I tried three different rogues. An Elf heavy Dex that tried to balance Str and Cha build, a Half-Orc Str / Dex build, and a Half-Elf Dex / Cha build. IMO the Elf was the weakest build. Both the Half-Orc and Half-Elf played really well, there really was not a huge difference in a Str versus a Cha focus as a secondary stat to Dex. I think that either is fine as long as you focus on one or the other but not both.
I run the maths for Tiefling and Orc and the difference in there stats is minimal in terms of DPS even for a GWF (the largest DPS diffence was ~6% if the orc had 100% crit).
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I say: "Pick a character you think is fun". Like a halfling GWF because that looks <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Or maybe halfling trickster rogue because they are small and agile. Or a human because they are charismatic. Or maybe an elf because they always look intellectual i.e for caster / ranger trickster. My point is ; make whatever character you want ^^
Min maxers and stat based games will always be bedfellows.
These are supposed to be built of DnD rules. If you have ever played DnD you will know that certain races definitely make sense for certain classes. Just like you wouldn't expect to see a half-orc wizard very often you also wouldn't expect to see some other races be other classes either. This to me makes a lot of sense and I like this part of Neverwinter. But "picking a race just off it's racials" isn't really what we are talking about. We are talking about a sort of "balance playing field" which the drow are at a disadvantage due to one crappy racial in Trance.