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costas555
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
Hello everyone! I've seen the work done in NWO and I think I finally found an mmo that "clicks" with me. One question I have is this. Since I don't like bothering with small purchasing transactions, suck as character slots etc etc, will there be an option to buy the whole game? Like, let's say give X euros and get all the "purchasable" content like slots, unlimited respecs and inventory space. You know, like buying the game in a retail price.
Thank you for your time and sorry if I posted sth already discussed.
Thank you for your time and sorry if I posted sth already discussed.
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http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?138991-Can-we-get-a-monthly-sub-option
To comment on the GW2 thing, you can buy the Guardian package and get a good amount of items you'd probably want anyways.
Ability Scores || All Attribute Roll Combinations || My Cleric Stream \o/
Yes, respecs cost money. We don't know how many free ones we'll also get, and we don't know when a multiple-build system will be added.
HOWEVER, you will find that (and Force hadn't played enough to really see this yet) due to the small number of powers you can have slotted at any one time, and the large number of points you have to spend, you can fill a couple of roles by merely pulling up your Powers tab and shifting things around on your bar. So you will be able to make an effective PvP build and PvE build, say, or a soloing build and a grouping build, or an AoE and Single Target build. You've got a lot of options; a respec is something you're likely to only need to do once in a great while per character.
And in the end, you're still not paying $15/month just to have access to the character, so who cares if every once in a while you have to spend $5 to respec it?
Good point, ty for clearing that up!
i feel as though the Guardian pack has the best value (not determined via the listed value) for money.
Ability Scores || All Attribute Roll Combinations || My Cleric Stream \o/
Everything else is really a cosmetic or convenience. Some people are really upset they're selling health stones but I have played through both beta and alpha and never felt bad no having one.
On the point about respects I look at it in the sense that it takes roughly 60 hours to reach 60. Whether you start over, pay the fives bucks or pay in AD (transferred for Zen) you're not too bad off. I have played many games which didn't even allow respecs. If I was in charge I wouldn't (which is why I'm not in charge)
So in my most humble opinion I think these complaints will diminish once people get their hands on the full on game. I haven't ever experienced the feeling I need to pay to get anything in the game.
There's no way to buy everything but in truth there's no way to buy everything in GW2. Virtually the only difference between GW2 and Neverwinter is that you paid 60 dollars and got access to a bunch of character slots whereas Neverwinter is free but only 2 character slots. Throw in 60 dollars and you'll get 14 slots to play with!
It really only makes people look up guides instead of trying out individual builds, or creates situations where people painfully crawl through a game while not spending any of their skill/stat points in fear of making a mistake.
But I think "no respec" really doesn't work well in MMOs where balancing patches can have significant impact on builds or where people want to try out different things without having to restart every few days (gives a feeling of not getting anywhere and running in circles). The ability to respec has definitely become a standard feature that most people expect in their MMOs.
Anyway, respecs being sold through the store is virtually my only concern (too strong a word) with NW. I hope we'll get some free ones (outside of the packs) or something like a free respec every x days. It would also be a good gold sink.
If you want to limit the amount of purchases you make, then you can transfer a few hundred zen to the game. Buy a bunch of character slots, then buy whatever you want through the ingame store. It only takes a few seconds to buy anything in the game.
I would be just as happy if respecs didn't exist. I would be happy if games didn't come with magic erasers.
But they are here. If they cost money, so be it. From my very old point of view they shouldn't be here at all so the fact they are is a blessing. I can't change their cost any more than any player but if I could I would make them a million dollars.
That's my uncensored point of view opinion.
However let's address this a bit more rationally. Let's say they charge AD to respec. There's absolutely no difference than paying in AD or Zen. AD have a Zen value at any given time so even if they charged you in AD you would still be spending the same Astral Diamond's worth of Zen.
Argue the pricing all you want. Say you want it lower. But at the end of the day you never have to buy Zen. And buying something with Astral Diamonds doesn't magically make it not cost Zen.
It's really like stating it's better to pay in dollar coins rather than dollar bills.
I thought it was going to follow the same model as STO, where you can play for free or start a subscription and the sub gets you more things then free to play gets you...I guess I was wrong again.
I'll still suggest you get the Guardian of Neverwinter pack if you want to 'purchase' something.
Ability Scores || All Attribute Roll Combinations || My Cleric Stream \o/
It's not really an argument, just a discussion.
My concern is selfish, really: I want Neverwinter to succeed because it's the only MMORPG released since 2004 that actually seems to appeal to me. I don't care if it's f2p, sub-based, b2p. I care that it is well designed and has the features and attributes that I value in a MMORPG. Playing a MMO heavily depends on there being other people to play with, though. Charging for respecs may, I feel, be a needless turn-off for people who come over from established MMOs, because it's as basic as having chat features.
This is what my concern is based on, and I may of course be completely off. It happens frequently!
Those established MMOs charge for respecs, too. WoW, for instance, charges $15/month for them, whether you use them or not.
That being said it is a luxury and Cryptic has a past record of giving free respects after major content changes. Most of the people, such as yourself, are looking at things from the wrong perspective. Truly you pay for respecs in every MMO.
And one major, major difference is this is D&D. Other MMO's have their own deals going on but respecs aren't tossed around in the D&D playerbase. I think my years of playing D&D is what put me into this 'every action has a consequence' mindset. So sadly this game has to find the middleground compromise somewhere.
It's an MMO but it's supposed to be D&D. And many D&D Players consider respec'ing a sin. There's no way, as a D&D MMO, I can agree that respecs should be done left and right. That utterly defeats the purpose of building a character in D&D.
But that's really not what this thread is about...the thread is about the worry that some things might cost money. Yes some things will.
A large majority will be cosmetic. Many others will be convenience (luxury if you will) items.
But all in all you can enjoy this game from beginning to end without paying a cent. You will earn enough AD from playing that you will be able to get a charatcer decently fleshed out without spending money and a lot of products purchased such as mounts are account wide.
Yes respecs will cost money but Cryptic has a track record of being very giving with them upon major content changes. As long as you aren't trying to make the perfect of perfect characters you really shouldn't be respec'ing all that much. I didn't feel like I gimped any characters so in my most humble opinion the fears will dissipate in time.
Respecs are here for the luxury and convenience but they are not required. If I have to buy a single one I'll be shocked.
But that is just my view and really, I feel like I'm disagreeing with people who are fundamentally in the same opinion camp as me, which is barking at the wrong tree.
As for this topic here, I prefer this model over one where you lose access to everything you paid and "worked" for if you stop paying. In the long run this is rather oppressive and fun-killing. So, PW's model is a superior approach that I think is more consumer-friendly. I used to have a slightly different take on this, but after sixteen years of paying subs for MMOs and seeing what it left me with at the end (where I can't even hop on a game to say Hi to old friends unless I subscribe again), my perspective shifted a little.
well i decided to not post because it would derail the top.
I will say that if the OP is worried about respec that both Founders' packs have respec tokens in them. aside from that, you could just play on the 30th and see if it's worth it to you to buy either pack (assuming they are changed on the 1st or some time AFTER Open Beta).
Ability Scores || All Attribute Roll Combinations || My Cleric Stream \o/
That would make sense... if this game had D&D-style character building.