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spikespire
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I've done a bit of skimming around and I can't seem to find anything related to a Zen Store here at Neverwinter. I've seen it In-Game during the 3rd-Beta Test Weekend and it mostly consist of Mounts, and various useable items such as EXP Boost and things for Professions.
Now my questions is, what can we expect from it as of Open Beta and further?
Are they gonna go the route of how Champions Online did and have certain things available to F2P people while Subscribers have access to more content but F2P can buy things from said Zen Store, such as additional Races + Classes.
OR
Perhaps will they go more towards the Traditional Route of most F2P MMO's with Item Malls and just sell thing like they have been with the addition of maybe Packs of Tattoos, Hairstyles, and other Additions for Character Creations and of course we can't forget the Cosmetic Items. Gotta keep out characters looking spiffy you know?
Open Thoughts, and Opinions and maybe some Post by Developers to help shine some light on this are all greatly welcomed!
Now my questions is, what can we expect from it as of Open Beta and further?
Are they gonna go the route of how Champions Online did and have certain things available to F2P people while Subscribers have access to more content but F2P can buy things from said Zen Store, such as additional Races + Classes.
OR
Perhaps will they go more towards the Traditional Route of most F2P MMO's with Item Malls and just sell thing like they have been with the addition of maybe Packs of Tattoos, Hairstyles, and other Additions for Character Creations and of course we can't forget the Cosmetic Items. Gotta keep out characters looking spiffy you know?
Open Thoughts, and Opinions and maybe some Post by Developers to help shine some light on this are all greatly welcomed!
"You know you wanna fondle my dragons."
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Real curious as to what you guys think on this.
"You know you wanna fondle my dragons."
BRAINS
As for what is in the Zen store, I think it's going to have things like potions/rez/i.d scrolls/xp boosts/ new races & classes at some point/ mounts/ companions.
Anyway I'll post a list for it during the weekend.
I look forward to your post then
"You know you wanna fondle my dragons."
It will be:
Cosmetic options. Things that you can get in game via other means, but that the Zen option looks different, or things that let you change what your ingame items look like.
Convenience items. Things that make leveling faster or more enjoyable, but are not necessary.
Slightly improved items. Things that are 5% better than what drops in game. This will be controversial on the forums, but not in game, where most people will realize that since Astral Diamonds drop in game and are tradeable for Zen, it is effectively only Convenience, in that you can get them FASTER with real money, but everybody can get them. In the end more people will like the decision than will dislike it, but the dislike ones will be much louder on the forums. Most of them will buy them anyway, one way or the other.
Cheers!
F2P look even more like this
Read this..before i get banned or eddited
Camelot Unchained dev: free-to-play headed towards an “apocalypse” in 3-5 years time
http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/12/camelot-unchained-dev-free-to-play-headed-towards-an-apocalypse-in-3-5-years-time/
With subscription, when you stop paying, you stop playing; you never bought anything, you just rented it.
Really? Sub to a P2P game and get everything???
I think not.
What about World of Warcraft's cash shop? is that given to subscribers for free? Or does one Have to Pay $25-$40 for a Mount and $15-$25 for a non-combat pet??
And it looks like you got snookered into that Mark Jacobs fiasco he calls a MMO. . .
I like the idea that we can have our costume equipped and armor equipped at the same time.
As for WoW, well the top end on their cash shop is 25 dollars, which is 10 less then neverwinter's top end.
Factor in the 15 bux you have to pay to even use said item. . .
You can keep the topic going if you so wish. I got what I wanted from it xD
"You know you wanna fondle my dragons."
I want to know what does:
A. Character slots cost?
B. What does a respec of a character cost?
A and B are not cosmetic stuff. If I have understood correctly A and B can only be bought with ZEN?
Character slots: really? i have to pay for more alts? in wow we have 11 characters slots per server and 11 classes.(make the math)
Respec tokens: lol, the biggest joke in "f2p" games.( In wo you just reset at will.)
Rez and healing items: item with gameplay influence. (The "wow cash shop" have no influence on gameplay pure cosmetic(even the pets on battle pets are weak)
Companions: cosmetic.
crafting stuff: another game unbalance.
mounts: if all have the same Speed and cosmetic will be ok.(in wow you have 200+ mounts in game in my opinion twice as much visual stunning)
dyes, wedding outfits, royalty outfits:cosmetic.
Bags: another joke,(in wow you just craft it.)
boosters: the king of gameplay unbalance;
As vernednd said: to buy a mount, a pet and a bag it will cost you 75$ per character( or you can buy 6 months in wow and get a lot more)
Don't try to block the sun with a sieve...the light will still pass it.
Ahh...almost forgot, dont botter on quote me....it will be my last post on this forum...pigs do not desarve pearls.
See you on the 30th;)
let me make a lil list too. . .
This list will include all the things you listed WoW having that you have to pay for in Neverwinter, but are included in the Subscription price of WoW. Also added are things in Neverwinter that are required to play at Max level. . .
Cost to play World of warcraft at launch for 30 days: $60.
Cost to buy all expansions on release: $120 ( at $40 per. )
Cost to stay subscribed to be able to play from launch (Nov. 23 2004) at $15 monthly: $1,050
total cost:$1,230.
Cost to play neverwinter at launch: $0
Cost to play monthly: $0
Cost of optional Hero of the North founder pack: $200
Cost of having 11 character slots: $30 ( 6 at $5 ) ( HotN gives you 5+6=11 )
Cost of respec tokens: $55 ( assuming you respec all your 11 characters only once )
Cost of Rez and Healing items: $0 (not needed to play and purely optional)
Cost of Companions: $0 ( In game earned companions can become just as powerful as cashshop ones, so no need to buy )
Cost of Crafting stuff: $0 ( only there to save time, do not need to buy to craft top line gear. )
Cost of Max speed Mount: $0 ( The HotN founder's pack Max speed mount is account wide. )
Cost of Dyes and Costumes: $0 ( not needed to play, just fluff )
Cost of bags: $220 ( Equipping all 11 characters with 2 extra Greater Bags of Holding+1 account wide Bag of Holding included in the HotN founders pack. )
Cost of Boosters: $0 ( not needed to play )
total cost: $505. (Minus any Zen gained off the Exchange for Astral Diamonds ) ( 1 zen = $.01 )
I still can't believe people think that F2P games are more expensive.
*Hands over Cookies and Milk* You earned it.
"You know you wanna fondle my dragons."
*dip* *munch* *munch*
Thanks.
yes A and B can only be bought with Zen.
BUT, one can exchange A in-game earned Currency called Astral Diamonds at a player set rate for Zen. So technically one can get everything in the zen shop for free if they are patient enough to simply convert Astral Diamonds.
Also, one thing that should not be underestimated in this game; Foundry tips. Unlike past Cryptic games, this one is going to be full of people who have been crafting custom quests for their friends every week for decades. Instead of only a few people getting substantial Foundry tipping, there are going to be a lot of folks seeing a steady influx from it. This could really add up for people who take the time to do quality work.
The Zen store itself isn't overpacked with too much. Mounts, fashions, dyes, companions. I'm ok with that.
Respecs are the one thing you will have to buy, and wards once you want to get better runes/enchants. (also crafting assets are solely in there, crafting resources are in a few places)
Zen will mostly be used to purchase AD however, as there is no way to farm it quick enough to be useful for anything.
This will lead to more buyers than sellers, and more getting taken from the economy than generated. Sucks, but their inflation/addition of AD costs will spiral after a month or so.
Just the time all the founder's AD is spent.
Can't farm AD quick enough??
If one did not pay anything and simply grinded out the max Ad refine limit on both of the two free character slots that would be 48k daily. ( which I might add I have done in 7 hours on my one level 50 character )
( the following makes some assumptions about the exchange rate in Neverwinter, you have been warned )
if one exchanges that AD at 250 AD=1 ZEN one could get 192 zen Daily.
At that rate one could buy another character slot in every 3 days for even faster AD Daily accumulation. ( up until it takes longer than 24 hours for the number of characters you have to reach the refine cap. )
But let us just use the two free characters both maxing out the refine limit on a daily basis.
1 day= 192 zen ( at previous supplied exchange rate )
1 week= 1,344
1 month=5376
So it is entirely possible to not spend a dime on this game if one has the time to farm AD just for the purpose of converting it to Zen. . .
7hrs it took you on one L50 to max? Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but all your calcs talk about doing this twice a day with alt.
It also does not include at all your expenses for the week/month. Everything costs AD, so you will not have it to convert.
I agree at max level you could spend the entire day and hit the cap x2.
You made $2 for a 7 hour session minus any in-game services you are paying AD for. (one socket removal at L6 would wipe 50k AD)
I do not see anyone doing this ... not even if you had the free time lol. People who work will certainly not do it. Therefore everyone will buy and not farm, but you need farmers to keep AD in the economy. Subtract all the sinks that remove AD from the economy ...
How can that not tank? Doesn't take an economics professor.
Conversion rate: not really far off as cryptics other 2 games with a exchange feature sit around the same value ( one at 100-1, the other at 200-1 )
Expenses: What exactly do I have to buy with AD to reach the daily cap? ID scrolls? nope. Res scrolls? nope. A max speed mount? Nope. A purple/blue companion? nope.
I NEED to spend exactly 0 AD to reach the daily cap, as that is what i spent to reach it in the beta in 7hrs. . .
Plus I left off the AH, one could reasonably pay all expenses just with it, as well as make a net monthly "profit"
Time to Cap: It was 7 hours at level 50 ( the max allowed in the beta weekends) there may be better opportunities at max level, but I couldn't find out. And I don't see it as WORK for 7hrs to get $2, but PLAY and enjoy myself for 7hrs and get $2, big difference
And using the logic of "I cannot see people doing this, therefore one one ever will." seems pretty presumptuous.
Also,It has to be one or the other? pay nothing or pay for everything? What about Paying and Playing? that's what the it seems PWE and Cryptic are banking on and balanced thier prices on.
My point was that one does not need to farm to get AD, it comes pretty easily. And if one has the time, patience, and know how. One can spend $0 on Neverwinter and still "Win."