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bachus1234
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 79
Incan understand that Cleric solo healing was deemed to strong.. And that they planned to get it to 50% for solo PvE.
But in group dungeons cleric selfhealing needs to be on par with a cleric healing others.. So i would suggest a cleric selfhealing rate of 50 % + 12,5%/party member.
In PvP the same thing brings some other problems, in pvp clerics are often the first target, they need defense, and a clerics defense is their healing, giving clercs subpar healing in PvP makes them target number one without selfdefense..
In PvP Clerics need to be rewarded for keeping their team including themselves alive, a good mechanic would be that their heals loose 20% power for every teammember that dies... This would add a lot more depth to the combat system
And about clerics rezzing? Yes Clerics need a rezz, but not one that occupies a skillslot, there are allready to few skillslots. No, make our Cleric rezzin such a way that it requires clicking on the death boddy and then showing a resurection annimation.
But in group dungeons cleric selfhealing needs to be on par with a cleric healing others.. So i would suggest a cleric selfhealing rate of 50 % + 12,5%/party member.
In PvP the same thing brings some other problems, in pvp clerics are often the first target, they need defense, and a clerics defense is their healing, giving clercs subpar healing in PvP makes them target number one without selfdefense..
In PvP Clerics need to be rewarded for keeping their team including themselves alive, a good mechanic would be that their heals loose 20% power for every teammember that dies... This would add a lot more depth to the combat system
And about clerics rezzing? Yes Clerics need a rezz, but not one that occupies a skillslot, there are allready to few skillslots. No, make our Cleric rezzin such a way that it requires clicking on the death boddy and then showing a resurection annimation.
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As for rez, I think it's just fine. There is no death penalty and adds a nice dynamic to the game. In a sense, you could say in group play, it's the clerics job to run over and help the fallen comrade. Of course this won't happen if they keep beta 3 "adjustments" but does add a nice group dynamic having your comrade being able to be "rezzed" by anyone.
And they added the campfires just so u don't have to run alllllll the way from zone in.
if they have to add a rez, it could easily be added to a divinity skill set, limiting it's use, and making it be a strategic decision. Maybe even go so far as "Emptying" the DC bar. you get your rez, but costs the cleric something also. Will not be overly OP, and yet penalize terrible groups who need tons of rezzes, but add a quick rez in an "oops" situation..
just my $.02
Also, fixing threat should keep us from needing healing as much as the tank because we won't be aggroing everything in the dungeon instantly. They were a little too zealous with the threat problems the cleric has.
So here's my thing. Do what you are suggesting, giving us a self heal when we heal a party member, improved because we are healing another being. Reduce the threat we generate from healing by 75%. Fix the base healing we give ourselves to 50%. and make it so that when we use tiny spells like word of healing or the at-wills we are able to move around. This holding me in place thing for cantrips is just ridiculous.
i have great faith that it will all be sorted out prior to launch. until then, no worries;)
What level did you get to roninthehood? Around level 30 or so the healing tapers off and doesn't scale with the hitpoints (IMO) Gets worse at 40-50
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Which actually is good... I allready have to few powers, having to save one encounter power for a rezz would ruin the cleric combat even further.
If they ever add rezzes, make them through targetting the corpse and using a popup action on that corpse...
Nice to know, so they obviiusly nerfed clerics healing based on low level pvp feedback.. How smart can you be...
Cleric heals and damage reduction is very huge at the top, especially if you go Divinity for paragon feats. They get 10% damage reduction just as a passive lol, not to mention Astral shield L2 and regular ar/def bonuses.
They work off all their CB data. Clerics in W2 were far too untouchable in every sense.
I don't find that acceptable, I'd like to do much more than watch bars and I'd like to comfortably be able to heal while watching the action that's going on around me specially with random spawn adds melting non fighters.
Don't worry. Cryptic is not known for its pvp focus. Also it seems to me that the cleric is only designed and balanced for pve. A self healing reduction in a pvp team game is joke. The enemy will focus the cleric and he will die. In pve your GF can tank and hold aggro, so you do not have to heal yourself as much as a cleric. So the selfheal only is important when you are solo. And I suppose it was mainly designed for that.
Also the clerics healing is meant for sustain, not burst. If someone fails to dodge he has to use a pot. A GF wont block all dmg so the cleric is meant to heal the little bit that gets through and heal minor injuries from adds. That is a nightmare in pvp. You will deal with focus targets and huge burst dmg. A cleric can't do anything about that. So you probably need cc, pots and you have to kite/dodge. Against any enemy who has a little bit of coordination, or a brain, a cleric seems rather useless in pvp. He is just a weaker wizard.
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Cleric is about mitigation more than healing too. Temp HP and barriers are like burst heals, just reactive in nature :P
I don't agree though with nerfing Cleric heals in PvP due to 'potion usage concerns by the devs' . That is wrong on a few levels.