Gwf dps??

jinakc · March 2013

I played the rogue in 2nd beta and was amazed with the amount of dmg and rightfully so....its their job. I feel like the GWF isnt even close in dmg as the rogue, i know single target and gwf cleaves all enemies. GWF job is also dmg, they dont bring anything else to a group. Anyone else shocked at the lack of dmg on GWF?

menzo17 · March 2013

Tank are no supposed to do damage.

Give us Threat skillz

zxcobon2007 · March 2013

ROTFL tank dealing damage cute

kinsaeda · March 2013

They're focused more around AOE damage, which is always lower than single target. They can also be built into tanking roles (or at least off tanking) and they have stronger armor. They did feel too soft to me this weekend, but that's just feedback for the dev's to go over and tweak for later.

prunetracy · March 2013

GWF is not a tank. Clerics are.

What beta have you been playing?

kurtixwarlord · March 2013

prunetracy wrote: »

GWF is not a tank. Clerics are.

Dat aggro XD

I was playing as GWF with two friends (TR and CW) and this is what i feel about it:
The damage of the rogue is FAR better for one target, but in the "Score" window of the Cloak Tower Dungeon we see that i do more or less 30-40k more dps than him, because the insane AoE effects. Most of the time the TR feels doing more DPS with that explosive damage he can do, nearly killing an ogre (in tower district, at same lvl +/-) in 2 combos. But the AoE damage, while with less great numbers, do more DPS in the long term. I discover this long time ago, in a noted MOBA (i dont remember if we can put names of other games, so i will not) in which a tank in full plate armor and welding a mace, with constant AoE skills, ussualy do more damage on the score board than the mage with 1combo=1kill damage.

And for the overral experience of playing the GWF, i think i found my main class: While not the best at defense, or 1 target DPS, or control, it excells at AoE damage, and feels a good All-around class, with scale mail (my aesthetically favorite armor) and a Greatsword (my favored weapon is the ******* sword, but it will do ^^) fits very good my visual tastes, and he can do (as far as i have see) the tank, off-tank and DPS roles in a party, with the appropiate traits and skills of course.

kharnagex · March 2013

kurtixwarlord wrote: »

Dat aggro XD

I was playing as GWF with two friends (TR and CW) and this is what i feel about it:
The damage of the rogue is FAR better for one target, but in the "Score" window of the Cloak Tower Dungeon we see that i do more or less 30-40k more dps than him, because the insane AoE effects. Most of the time the TR feels doing more DPS with that explosive damage he can do, nearly killing an ogre (in tower district, at same lvl +/-) in 2 combos. But the AoE damage, while with less great numbers, do more DPS in the long term. I discover this long time ago, in a noted MOBA (i dont remember if we can put names of other games, so i will not) in which a tank in full plate armor and welding a mace, with constant AoE skills, ussualy do more damage on the score board than the mage with 1combo=1kill damage.

And for the overral experience of playing the GWF, i think i found my main class: While not the best at defense, or 1 target DPS, or control, it excells at AoE damage, and feels a good All-around class, with scale mail (my aesthetically favorite armor) and a Greatsword (my favored weapon is the ******* sword, but it will do ^^) fits very good my visual tastes, and he can do (as far as i have see) the tank, off-tank and DPS roles in a party, with the appropiate traits and skills of course.

lol hate to say it but you where playing with a junk rogue if you outscored him on the dmg meter or where several lvls higher. last lvl 25 dungeon i was in with an equal lvl GWF as my rogue i did roughly over 100k more dmg than him. They need an upgrade in dmg, hell up to lvl 15 is what i got my GWF and Guardian up to, and i did alot more dmg on my Guardian than the GWF ever did.

lol i even soloed the Spider of Lolth Miniboss with my cleric gobot :P

sneakycheeses · March 2013

GWF definitely deserves some sort of augmentation in PvE and PvP. More suvivability or more damage. They're definitely weak in comparison to the other classes (got to play all but GF).

darkstorn42 · March 2013

I did the ice peak dungeon at level 50 with my friend at 50. I was a GWF and he was a TR. He did about 25% more damage then me over the whole dungeon, and I focused on AoE. We both had level 50 weapons as well. I was also speced to do as much damage as I could, with the destroyer tree maxed out.

kharnagex · March 2013

darkstorn42 wrote: »

I did the ice peak dungeon at level 50 with my friend at 50. I was a GWF and he was a TR. He did about 25% more damage then me over the whole dungeon, and I focused on AoE. We both had level 50 weapons as well. I was also speced to do as much damage as I could, with the destroyer tree maxed out.

I play a rouge and i enjoy doing dps, but honestly when it comes to it, the GWF should have an overall higher than the Rogue, FFS you are swinging a huge piece of metal around and hitting everything in a 10m radius around you, Rogues should top GWF in single one on one fights but thats about it.

sanshibbik · March 2013

I found that activated abilities did very respectable damage, but at-wills were largely bunk.

healhamsta · March 2013

sanshibbik wrote: »

I found that activated abilities did very respectable damage, but at-wills were largely bunk.

That be about the same for all classes.

jendryn · March 2013

It takes time before the GWF comes into its own, but at higher levels it does very good damage, especially at levels 45-50 when you pick up key feats at the end of the Destroyer tree.

Its mid-level damage might need a boost, but the class is all about proper positioning of its AoE skills. With it, large packs dwindle quite quickly, leaving only the higher-hp mob(s) as a threat.

And I certainly hope its single-target damage doesn't outstrip that of the TR; otherwise, there will be no reason to have one in a group.

kurtixwarlord · March 2013

kharnagex wrote: »

lol hate to say it but you where playing with a junk rogue if you outscored him on the dmg meter or where several lvls higher. last lvl 25 dungeon i was in with an equal lvl GWF as my rogue i did roughly over 100k more dmg than him. They need an upgrade in dmg, hell up to lvl 15 is what i got my GWF and Guardian up to, and i did alot more dmg on my Guardian than the GWF ever did.

lol i even soloed the Spider of Lolth Miniboss with my cleric gobot :P

Possibly, but i dont think so, i knew him for a good time and he ussually play very well. I think i can say the same thing for that GWF you play with...

For the last hours, i want to play the 30s instance, but it was bugged and cant say how much damage i can pull out for that time compared with other classes. Instead i was fighting that Daemon Overlords along my dog companion (lvl 12, didnt send him to training) and can do them quite well (1 or 2 pots of 2k heal at most), i find this class to have a good dmg/resistance balance.

I end up at lvl 34, and the AoE dmg was insane, minons and some low hp mobs died with just "Not so Fast" and one hit of "Wicked Strikes" (if "Not so Fast" land a crit, it 1shot them), its a very good "trash cleaner".

vonth · March 2013

guys dps ain't the thing for GWF, its job is to clear the battlefield from weaklings as soon as possible, rogue might be doing greater dps but it will take some time to clear like 15 minion mobs at a time, while GWF is taking them down in 2 secs and saving your cleric's sorry HAMSTER ^^ remember the role DPS has diversity in itself aswell.

raal1 · March 2013

"lol hate to say it but you where playing with a junk rogue if you outscored him on the dmg meter or where several lvls higher. last lvl 25 dungeon i was in with an equal lvl GWF as my rogue i did roughly over 100k more dmg than him. They need an upgrade in dmg, hell up to lvl 15 is what i got my GWF and Guardian up to, and i did alot more dmg on my Guardian than the GWF ever did.

lol i even soloed the Spider of Lolth Miniboss with my cleric gobot :P"

No, you were just with a junk GWF. See how that works?

The fact that you grouped with a single GWF and managed to outscore him really means nothing.

Your signature is also very appropriate as it suits 90% of your posts

vrtesseract · March 2013

The key to teaming with a GWF is run your GWF behind the cleric and hit anything that gets near the cleric the clerics ability to generat sooo much hate that it seems to attract trash mobs from other dungeons and maybe even other games ...wait was that a merloc? ... is ideal for the gwf rage generation.

memorythought · March 2013

kharnagex wrote: »

lol hate to say it but you where playing with a junk rogue if you outscored him on the dmg meter or where several lvls higher. last lvl 25 dungeon i was in with an equal lvl GWF as my rogue i did roughly over 100k more dmg than him. They need an upgrade in dmg, hell up to lvl 15 is what i got my GWF and Guardian up to, and i did alot more dmg on my Guardian than the GWF ever did.

lol i even soloed the Spider of Lolth Miniboss with my cleric gobot :P

Well it's not until level 15 and Focused Strikes that the GWF actually picks up. The charge-up at-will just isn't really worthwhile, it costs too much in time of activation compared to damage out.

Once you swap that out with the Focused Strikes (I really hope that's the right name) things pick up fast. It provides the small-cone high damage attack for you.

The build I ran with was charge, not so fast and pommel strike for my encounters, savage and focused for my at wills and the jump move and the tremor move for my dailies. They all had me moving right through the levels very quickly and I stopped BW3 at level 31.

While I know TR damage is just insane, especially once you get the ability to just stay in stealth by killing lowbies, my GWF damage was respectable. I had a good mix of armor survivability, used the charge encounter as a positioning and escape tool and constantly ran with a high Punisher buff. Worked out great and felt strong and meaty. Maybe the GWF isn't for you, but for me it did great.

doctordorian · March 2013

GWF definitely felt gimpy in PVP.

kren · March 2013

I agree with memorythought, the GWF really started to do nice single target dps at lvl 15 with the new at will skill. Rogs are ment to be top single target dps while GWF are aoe specialist. Though I found specing properly can allow the GWF class to do very good single target burst. I forget what the second dungeons called but I had a run where I was top dps around 690k dmg done and the 2 rogs one was just below me at 630k and the next one down was around 350k. It's not just the class, but the people behind them I've been playing MMo's since EQ so not everyones skill level with a given class is going to be the same. Some classes develop later while others will come into there own much earlier like the TR. Either way comparing apples to oranges coming from a high end raiding back ground its long been known that potential dps is second to people knowing how to play there class. Like the old adage dead dps is no dps back from the golden age of MMos where you had to manage your agro instead of just mashing the keys as fast as possible.

venomdemme · April 2013

darkstorn42 wrote: »

I did the ice peak dungeon at level 50 with my friend at 50. I was a GWF and he was a TR. He did about 25% more damage then me over the whole dungeon, and I focused on AoE. We both had level 50 weapons as well. I was also speced to do as much damage as I could, with the destroyer tree maxed out.

I do agree. The GWF is gimp on pvp and pve. Half dps and half tank it fails in both roles. >.> The only class I was looking forward. My TR rogue aoe dps is stronger then the GWF. Which if you know TR have what is it now? Three aoe and they do a better job at aoe then a class build around aoe. Come one PW buff this class. There is no reason to play it.

micdarau · April 2013

Its about the aoe that GWF have. The Rouge is more like single target pointed squishy dmgdealer. So both have some pro and cont.

zurkhon · April 2013

Curious since I did not participate in previous Betas; how well will Dex (1% Crit chance) play when distributing points to the GWF stats??
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?77491-Ability-Scores-and-their-effects-on-you

I will personally play around with the stats in BW4 just to see but has anyone tested this in BW3?

llelowyn13 · April 2013

I expect changes to the GWF since the class only had one Beta Weekend of mass exposure. Wether it is a nerfing, a change in skills, or upgrade, is all based on conjecture. I personally had a positive experience with my GWF. I ranked high on PvP and never had issues in PvE. Maybe your gear was lacking if you were losing. Saw lots of blue rogue gear drop in dungeons and maybe 1 item for GWF.

thorordragonbane · April 2013

I think its about people figuring out how to play ...my gwf was second or first damage in every group I had second only to the occasional rogue ... I did not find him to be gimp in pvp either . its about positioning and timing to maximize number of targets hit with the correct attack.

if your running around attacking single targets the rogue is going to stomp you in the ground dps . however on a large group of enemies bunched up gwf with rise to the top

the role as I see it is off tank aoe damage ...not dps or tank

Gwf dps??

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