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lordrichter
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I really don't understand what the developers were thinking, it seems to me like they are people who never ever actually played real Dungeons and Dragons, so this question is directly to them, which of course doesn't means others can't join the discussion.
Why are there two classes named Fighter? There is no point and no logic in that, I mean maybe someone will find logic yes but D&D is a game, and no don't even think to tell me this is not D&D, it is a D&D game or game based on D&D so I would expect it to act like one, or better say the developers to make one true to what is based on. D&D as I said is a game of differences, that's what makes it interesting, and having two classes named fighter really takes off a lot of that. Why for example didn't you named one simply fighter, for example the guardian fighter could have been only fighter while the great weapon one could have been say a barbarian, or even better the great weapon one could have been a fighter while the defender could have been a paladin, and believe me a D&D game where there is no paladin is not a real D&D game. Yes now many will say, dud there is a cleric, yes there is a cleric but that is not as same as the paladin, the cleric class I believe in a way is good represented in this game, sort of a ranged holy caster in heavy armor. If the developers go like that then why for example there are no two versions of same class for all the classes in the game, say two types of wizards or two types of rogues, a melee rogue and a ranged rogue, but that will rise the question, why the ranged rogue simply is not called ranger, which is also one of the classes that is very much played in D&D and is missing in this game. And I know someone will say now, the game is new give them time they will add new stuff, well I hope they will and I hope they will be named correctly in the D&D spirit.
Really developers, what were you thinking when you were deciding of which classes to put in this game?
Why are there two classes named Fighter? There is no point and no logic in that, I mean maybe someone will find logic yes but D&D is a game, and no don't even think to tell me this is not D&D, it is a D&D game or game based on D&D so I would expect it to act like one, or better say the developers to make one true to what is based on. D&D as I said is a game of differences, that's what makes it interesting, and having two classes named fighter really takes off a lot of that. Why for example didn't you named one simply fighter, for example the guardian fighter could have been only fighter while the great weapon one could have been say a barbarian, or even better the great weapon one could have been a fighter while the defender could have been a paladin, and believe me a D&D game where there is no paladin is not a real D&D game. Yes now many will say, dud there is a cleric, yes there is a cleric but that is not as same as the paladin, the cleric class I believe in a way is good represented in this game, sort of a ranged holy caster in heavy armor. If the developers go like that then why for example there are no two versions of same class for all the classes in the game, say two types of wizards or two types of rogues, a melee rogue and a ranged rogue, but that will rise the question, why the ranged rogue simply is not called ranger, which is also one of the classes that is very much played in D&D and is missing in this game. And I know someone will say now, the game is new give them time they will add new stuff, well I hope they will and I hope they will be named correctly in the D&D spirit.
Really developers, what were you thinking when you were deciding of which classes to put in this game?
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Also, in beta weekend 1 there were only the Guardian Fighter (Knight), Trickster Rogue and the Devoted Cleric. In BW2 there was the addition of the Controller Wizard, and now we have access to the Great Weapon Fighter (Slayer). And there is the "coming soon" extra class that we have no idea of what is atm.
In the books they are builds, in Neverwinter they are changed to be more of "themes" and are actually best compared to Second Edition "Specialised" Classics.
Due to the change in the mechanics giving full character builds is less than ideal and would make balancing the game...impossible is pretty close to what it would be haha.
There's still some hope free builds will be explored in the future but that's something which won't be around for a while, if ever.
That doesn't hurt the D&D elements. As a player who enjoyed Second Edition over all the others I actually see it as better D&D in *some* regards. Players accustomed to third edition might not enjoy that aspect of the get go but, *shrugs*, all I can tell you is to try to disregard conceptions of third edition and to try to enjoy the game as it is...which is not third edition.
I can't say I agree with everything in the game but the game is incredibly fun and is a valid interpretation of D&D. Just not the one you may have been expecting.
I have sad news for you. There will probably like 4-5 more Wizards, and same with Rogue+Cleric Classes.
Sub-Class system ftw.
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But seriously it probably has more to do with the cross-class system of NWN & I agree with the person above me, there will be more of each type of class eventually.
You should just sticky that info. Or sticky the 4E PHB classes.
I agree with raugar, I do hope this game will have a paladin class soon, as well as ranger or druid or maybe even monk.
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Said "builds" were just sugestions to what players should pick.
Seriously all they had to do was add the great weapon fighter options inside a regular Fighter because that's pretty much what you get from this game! I'm still puzzled by the idea of splitting up the class and pretty much just changing the powers.
It might be possible with a lot more time testing, there's no "absolutely not" answer given by Cryptic. Just "not now" and likely not in the immediate future.
It doesn't effect mine and other's enjoyment. Sure it would be nice to have free builds but what is here now is plenty of fun. I just wish I could choose the power progression more.
To answer majeurevis's question:
No classes have been confirmed. None
There will be plenty of classes past launch. That is the only thing which has been officially confirmed.
The irony is: all us healers so far are stuck on 1 healing class.
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Kidding aside...I would rather see more unique classes instead of rehashes of what other games have, and D&D has quite opportunity for that!
You know I actually hoped they would consider adding a paladin for both healing and dps...or a druid class for that matter.
I doubt there will be Artificer (being that it is a Eberron class and this is forgotten realms). If anything I would hope to see the Swordmage class from the Forgotten Realms book.
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Guys and Gals, remember the game is FTP, when they release it with 5 classes. No cost of box/DL or monthly subscription, if you find something you like at the start, awesome! I have played all of the beta weekends and love some classes and not real fond of the GWF. But, try what you like and play, and remember they will be adding content all the time. They are not forced to have all the classes done at release. So, be happy! its free! and play to your hearts content. I am going to have a ton of fun with the game. :cool:
Matching each 4e suggested build with an eventual class was the right call, as was keeping the number of starting classes low and building them up as they have time to do deep development on each.
Rangers, paladin and such hybrid like classes could be off shoots or a separate dual class erm classes.
Ah, I just remember paying for it in DDO. I forgot about Eberron, tbh!
Oh I'm not complaining at all! I thoroughly enjoyed my experience with the Beta 3 weekend (you can see in my sig) and would still play if the current classes were the only available ones. I was just hoping somebody would reveal some insider info on just how many classes/races there are going to be? Do you think they'll be adding Warlords since Clerics are currently the only classes with the leader role available?
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