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jazzneo
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When i was looking at the auction house it look like they use crystal instand of ingame gold and only way to get crystal with zen that prefect world cash shop points. and i notice there npc that sale weapons with crystal as well. all thing point out to be P2W. because your paying real money to buy armor and weapons anyone with big wallet can buy all the high tier without playing the game
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Astral Diamonds are a reward for simply playing rh game, in fact the main method for their production is by playing the game. However Astral Diamonds can be sold by players for Zen if they choose. This does, in theory, put a real world value on Astral Diamonds but the purchase of Astral Diamonds is a secondary option, not the primary option.
Now can players log in their first day and buy top tier items by thorwing real money into astral diamonds, yes. But the reason this doesn't both me is because unlike other games the company doesn't benefit off these people, the other players do.
When that person buys Astral Diamonds for Zen he is buying them from a player.
Then the person who is selling the items also gets what he wants, a bunch of astral diamonds.
The huge issue with pay to win is that it gives one person an advantage over all the others. Can that <censored> buy his way to the top...sort of in theory...
But while he does so he also supplies at least two other players with items they are in need of as well. Unlike systems which allow players to pay to win through the company this system allows players to buy good items with real money in a manner which gives back to the rest of the player base.
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best joke iv heard this week, thank you sir
so... Zen's are growing on trees, huh?
Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
Played more than 100 000 times!
> TRY IT NOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
So in a way, you have thousands of freemium monkeys working at building astral diamond supplies prompting people to buy it with zen. Both are controlled by cryptic, so cryptic wins
I don't think you understood his point. So your comment's actually the funniest joke the people that understand the system have heard all week.
If the sell items directly it...
-Drives down the value of loot drops
-Drives down the value of Gold & Currency
-Hurts every other player in the game
-Causes Power Creep
The AD System preserves the value of loot drops because items aren't artificially being placed into the game and that is one of the biggest problems with P2W systems solved right off the bat.
The other issue with pay to win is that somebody who works hard to advance is just blown away due to somebody who's willing to throw money into the game. Well buying from the Auction House works both ways. Since they are buying from players those Astral Diamonds aren't lost like they would be if you purchased from a company directly, they stay within player circulation.
If somebody buys Astral Diamonds to use in the AH the person who sold the item now has a bunch of AD to spend too. It's not lost, the players still keep the value people throw in with Zen.
Point is everybody wins in that situation. Cryptic makes out but the players on't lose anything. The money they spend to advance stays within player circulation and thereby is not simply an unfair advantage.
Sure they may get some better items a bit faster...but overall the players as a whole aren't shafted like they are by other systems which simply artificially add items into the game directly from the company to the player.
On top of these previously stated points your argument relies on this game being an item dependent game and thus far it is not. I'm not seeing the Auction House make or break characters like Diablo 3 so really I think this boils down to over-hyped speculation anyway.
... and THIS is excellent explanation of how system works, thank you
Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
Played more than 100 000 times!
> TRY IT NOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
Look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJg9SSIqPlo
They are amazed by the economy!
I am not in the Beta. This game is FREE to play! However I can choose to pay what I want anyway. That is absolutely ok. I know that from PvP you can earn lot of Astral Diamonds. There is no PvP in the Beta. If I remember right you can earn Astral Diamonds also by some harder PvE quests. Of course if you are low level newbie then likely you do not earn lot of AD except from praying to the Gods.
I have read this thread thus far with interest.
I am not able to get into NW just now to do any checks - mainly because my PC is 'patching' STO and it is a large patch as I have not played STO in a while.
As I understand it, from this thread, the in game auction house (AH) will not accept payment by currency (gold,silver,copper etc) earned in game. The accepted currency in game for the AH will be Astral Diamonds (AD) a currency that can be gathered in game or bought with 'ZEN' that is, in turn, bought for real life currencies.
Have I got this right?
Are items sold by other players only available with AD through the AH?
What use is the other in game currency (gold etc) other than buying from vendors and are vendor items actually useful or, as in many other games, simply 'Trash'?
How easy will AD be to collect in game without using 'ZEN'?
It has been suggested that AD will be earned far easier through PvP or harder PvE quests. If this is true, then surely it is an unfair situation whereby those that choose PvE as a play style will either earn less than a primarily PvP player or be forced to play PvP - which may be an undesired play style to some for varying reasons.
Is there truth in that Last statement or will PvP and PvE players have equal opportunity to collect AD?
As much as it has been explained that AD AH transactions benefit the player base, I cannot help but see the glaringly obvious fact (from information seen so far) that this AD AH set up is a win win for Cryptic / Perfect and is designed to increase financial profit from the game. Please understand that this is not a complaint - just an observation.
I am not trying to 'put down' the AD AH system, just trying to better understand it.
Thanks in advance for any reasonable replies.
Agreed that it is the right thing to do as then the economy is set by players and the control of things is with players too. Its like the company is actually giving you freedom to sell instead of selling things themselves and grabbing profit.
The basic interface currently in the Beta has 3 special Events, but those are not for some low level newbie character they have level requirements. PvP is of limits so noone can access that in Beta except in the interface there is listed that.
The 3 Events shortly 3 basic types:
A. Dungeons. Reward some good Artifact item etc.
B. PvP. Reward Astral Diamonds it does not say how much, but if it only says reward AD you can bet this is good AD income.
C. Quests: Reward lots of exp. Basically means if you want to level up faster this is likely much better then PvP.
I tell you how it works so you don't get wrong impression. Foundry created adventures should never give player max items! Pretty good items though and yes through Foundry created content you should get to max level. However FOUNDRY can easily be exploited.
You think this is unfair to PvE gamers? Oh please come on! None of us have seen endgame Heroic Dungeons that are meant for max level 60 characters!
As for the future read this: If you dream for one second that FOUNDRY will give all the best items then that is a dream to be chrushed! Guess twice which will give the best item rewards the Old Dragon for a 10 player Raid or a Foundry 5 player content young Dragon?
Sigh the fear of the unknown. Do you realize that the day they finally release the PvE Raids some pure PvP players will scared as s*it of the Raid rewards?! Honestly perfect balance would be that if you play very long and hard PvP eventually you could get as good items through PvP. In WOW for example Raids have super Elite rewards!
At the end of the day we don't know more currently. You can also get AD through praying in altars:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?74471-Rough-Astral-Diamonds
See? I am not in Beta so I have no clue to his answer. As for how good is gold in this game that I do not know.
I can accept 'What you ask is unknown to me and pretty much rest of the community except the developers Cryptic themselves'. Maybe a Cryptic rep could actually answer the questions though!
I can also accept 'PvP. Reward Astral Diamonds it does not say how much, but if it only says reward AD you can bet this is good AD income.' This is what another poster was referring to and I was asking for clarification regards the difference if any collecting AD through PvP or PvE. Still, looking I guess.
As for the rest, ... !
I did not ask about leveling or the foundry and my question about the fairness of the game related only to how AD are collected through PVE or PvP.
In no way did I ask about or make assumption on 'endgame Heroic Dungeons that are meant for max level 60 characters!'.
'If you dream for one second that FOUNDRY will give all the best items then that is a dream to be chrushed! Guess twice which will give the best item rewards the Old Dragon for a 10 player Raid or a Foundry 5 player content young Dragon?'
Did you even read my post and the questions therein? I DID NOT ASK ABOUT THE FOUNDRY. (Please do not make assumptions about what or how I dream.)
'Sigh the fear of the unknown. Do you realize that the day they finally release the PvE Raids some pure PvP players will scared as s*it of the Raid rewards?! Honestly perfect balance would be that if you play very long and hard PvP eventually you could get as good items through PvP. In WOW for example Raids have super Elite rewards!'
The fear? Where is the fear in asking about AD? There is none. All I was asking for was some clarification on how AD and AH works. Even my statement about PvP vs PvE fairness was followed by a question for clarification.
I did not ask about raids or rewards either (other than AD collection) but I do realise that, for the most part, players get out of the game what they put in. To get the 'best' items a player will, and should be expected to, work towards getting those items.
There is, of course the question about P2W where a player simply buys the best. I think that from what I have seen so far NW will not be P2W as such - good items or the 'best' may be available through the AH with AD bought with Zen which is bought with real money but this will likely be convenience rather than advantage.
Thanks for the link about altars that was a little helpful at least.
I appreciate that the game (NW) is still in BETA and that the community may not have the answers I am looking for. However, I would much more appreciate reasonable and on topic answers to the questions I asked rather than the mess of an answer I got.
I can't be any clearer than I was regarding how the Auction House and Astral Diamonds work. You get them from simply playing the game but there is no public information about high level content yet so there is no way to guess anything more than what I previously stated.
People will be able to buy Astral Diamonds and spend them all on the auction house...
But Astral Diamonds will be virtually all generated by the player base actually playing the game and not from Cryptic so when a person spends Zen on AD the person who sold their Astral Dimonds can now buy cosmetics or convenience without throwing money into the game.
So essencially one person used their real life money to buy away a grind while the other person used their grind to buy away their costs.
Meanwhile the same cycle can now continue with Astral Diamonds since none are lost in the exchange. The person who sold an item can choose to use his grind to save them costs for Zen Purchases or he could then use the AD for other items he may be interested in.
Ultimately what this comes down to is understanding AD are the large currency in the game. It's not used just for the auction house, it's used in at least 50% of the game for various transactions. Yes you *can* buy this currency...but no it's not pay to win. You should be easily able to aquire AD without spending a dime and those who do spend AD aren't hurting those who don't due to the mechanics of the system.
Anything beyond this would be entirely, 100% speculative.
EDIT - Ranncore, the truth is AD make up about 50% of the currency. Gold is purely to buy some basic necessities while Astral Diamonds make up a large chunk not entirely limited to cosmetics and the Auction House.
In many ways a gold AH would be useless tbh.
Call me naive, but Identify Scrolls and Resurrection Scrolls strike me as necessities. And with so few ways to acquire AD in this game - unlike STO, which has tons and tons of ways to farm dilithium, and supports both a regular AH and a cash AH, I don't see diamonds being readily available to F2P players.
to me auction and block weapon from players just because need money dont make it not a p2w. still paying to unlock weapn and who has the biggest wallet will be the best and that what hurt a game coummitny and stop people from playing.
i still play this game but i wont spend money on stuff that should not be use as a tool to fast way to make money. i perfer people making better costume or good looking skins for weapons or better mounts or sale emotes that are way better.
Identification Scrolls do drop as loot but I haven't been able to play the Beta much at all so I do not personally have an understanding of their drop rates but there are ways to obtain them other than spending Astral Diamonds.
Furthermore it has always been stated the main content which would reward players with Astral Diamonds would be higher level content. Since no "High Level" content is available to play during the Beta Tests at this time any such claim of it being hard to gather would be uneducated at best. Ultimately nobody knows how easy or hard it is be to gather Astral Diamonds due to a lack of higher level content.
it still be low chance collect that easy. if did then you guys wont make money from people buy it from feature you added. same with chest with keys them thing allway have low chance it part of gamble not luck.
So few ways? Not everything's in the game yet, but there are tons of ways to get AD, and the cap is three times as high as STO's. AD isn't going to be an issue.
However, even if you decide to purchase things, at current rates, an identification scroll is 2.5 cents worth of AD, and there isn't much point identifying most of the low-level gear drops. By the time you really need to care, you'll have tons of scrolls, and can get more for pennies. It's not an issue.
And remember, you'll be selling gear drops for AD. You've got to factor that into your thinking. A gear drop that would be worth 50k of EC in STO is going to be worth a lot of AD in this game.
I have more info to mull over now and this will help!
EDIT: BTW, If I did not make myself clear on this; I have no problem with a player purchasing AD for convenience. True, I personally like to work in game for advancement but I do spend real money to get game currencies from time to time for convenience. We each pays our monies (or not) and takes our choice. Happy gaming all.
The only problem I see slightly is that AD is required for identify scrolls. ID scrolls is a constant reduction of AD that quite frankly people simply need. On the other hand praying at Altars is a constant income of AD. Anyway since my point was that need of ID scorlls will never go away that makes saving/hording AD somewhat more difficult.
Speculating about AD more at this point is pretty useless since we
A. Do not know endgame rewards.
B. It is known PvP gives AD rewards, but since PvP is not accessible it is pretty unknown how much.
Finally people should really stop saying this game is unfair to PvE players or PvP players since quite frankly none of that has been proven. Personally I like both PvE and PvP.
Not just for identify scrolls - it's also the only means by which to acquire a resurrection OF ANY KIND, because clerics do not have a rez spell. Which to me is a much bigger deal than identify scrolls.