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thundoarthundoar Member Posts: 12 Arc User
edited March 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Is it just me or does the guardian fighter sheath it's weapon on its right hip even though it is right handed? Looks weird.
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  • thundoarthundoar Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Doesn't bother anyone else?
  • shaudiusshaudius Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'm not sure there is a clear cut answer to your question as to whether this is incorrect or not. I'm pretty steeped in FR and D&D lore, but I can't recall a specific instance of where it talks about how swords are carried on the body(although I'm sure there are some references throughout the novels/game materials) There are also historical examples of sword wielders not cross drawing, although it would seem that cross drawing is easier I'm not really sure of the interaction with a shield.
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  • freekimdotcomfreekimdotcom Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 118 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2013
    If your right handed, the sheath should be on your left hip. I'm not sure what's confusing here.

    So yeah, it's on the wrong side.
  • kinsaedakinsaeda Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    That would probably bug me actually. I can't see any practical reason to wear your sword on your dominant side
  • arythorarythor Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 315 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2013
    A sword should definitely be sheathed on the opposing hip to facilitate a proper, quick draw that leads to the sword being held in a battle-ready position. In fact, it is may be impossible to unsheathe a sword of sufficient length properly on one's dominant side, due to one's arm not being long enough to do the job at that angle. You would need to use a grip that would have your thumb towards the pommel so you could draw straight up and clear the sheath, meaning your grip is reversed from what it should be.

    In short, it seems like an oversight on Cryptic's part and hopefully will be remedied. If not, it is not the biggest problem in the world, but it would be nice to have the graphics and animations mirror what one would expect if possible.
  • thundoarthundoar Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Oh good so it wasn't just me, its not game breaking, I don't think they have a draw animation as of yet which is probably why they haven't noticed.
  • firesnakeariesfiresnakearies Member Posts: 307 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Yeah, it looks ridiculous. Hopefully they'll change it.
  • xearrikxearrik Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Silverstars Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Edit:
    Took me 30 seconds to find. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94c88HfACfQ
    End of Edit and end of this thread.

    The Roman military, the most famous shield wielders in the history of man kind tended to wear their blades on their right. This wasn't an uncommon practice for people who had shields. You see if you already have your shield out and you draw your blade from your left its hard not to cut your arm.Though this isn't really related, the European back scabbard is basically a myth.

    arythor wrote: »
    In fact, it is may be impossible to unsheathe a sword of sufficient length properly on one's dominant side, due to one's arm not being long enough to do the job at that angle

    It is in fact very easy to draw a sword from your right. It's not unpractical at all. I have swords, and scabbards trust me :p.
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  • chthonicmythoschthonicmythos Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    xearrik wrote: »
    The Roman military, the most famous shield wielders in the history of man kind wore their blades on their right side. This wasn't an uncommon practice for people who had shields. You see if you already have your shield out and you draw your blade from your left its hard not to cut your arm.Though this isn't really related, the European back scabbard is basically a myth.

    There was a back scabbard, but for that they would take it off and pull out the sword before combat started. The scabbard would just be dumped somewhere and retrieved after the battle. You definitely couldn't draw the sword while it was still sheathed on your back.
    Roman infantry also mostly used the gladius, which is a lot shorter than a longsword so would be easier to draw from your dominant side, so it's a bit different from the medieval European style we are using.
  • xearrikxearrik Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Silverstars Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    There was a back scabbard, but for that they would take it off and pull out the sword before combat started. The scabbard would just be dumped somewhere and retrieved after the battle. You definitely couldn't draw the sword while it was still sheathed on your back.
    Roman infantry also mostly used the gladius, which is a lot shorter than a longsword so would be easier to draw from your dominant side, so it's a bit different from the medieval European style we are using.

    Buy a sword and scabbard and try it for your self. It's very easy. Then pretend to hold a heavy shield in your left hand and draw the same sword from your left hip.

    Here is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94c88HfACfQ

    It took me 30 seconds to find
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  • bobcat1313bobcat1313 Member Posts: 1,089 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    xearrik wrote: »
    Buy a sword and scabbard and try it for your self. It's very easy. Then pretend to hold a heavy shield in your left hand and draw the same sword from your left hip.

    Here is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94c88HfACfQ

    It took me 30 seconds to find

    First is that you Xearrik in that video? ;P
    Second that was really funny, and some good info.

    I actually just have my sword hanging out all the time...

    Ahhh you sickOs I was talking about me longsword!!!!! hmm... shortsword... BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
  • daytonamaxdaytonamax Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 196 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2013
    Interesting. I suppose it simply comes down to your personal taste/preference as which side it "should" go on.

    Edit:
    Why Roman Soldiers wore their Swords on the Right
    http://historum.com/ancient-history/13041-why-roman-soldiers-wore-their-swords-right.html

    From early Republican days up to the end of the 2nd Century AD, Roman soldiers almost invariably wore their swords on the right side of their bodies. This went not only for legionaries, but also auxiliary troops - both infantry and cavalry - and marines. Depictions of warriors from a barbarian numerus (irregular company) on Trajan's Column show that even allied troops fighting alongside the Romans wore their sword on the right hip.

    Roman soldiers, like most soldiers in organized militaries, invariably fought right handed. Presumably left handed recruits were simply forced to fight right handed like everyone else. Therefore, a Roman soldier always carried his shield (and spear/javelins when there weren't in use) in his left hand, and used his right hand for drawing his sword or dagger.

    Since a right handed swordsman naturally draws his sword from his left hip, one may wonder why the Romans didn't do it this way. Apparently, this was so was to reduce the risk of cutting the soldier standing to one's left when drawing the sword. If a legionary mistakenly hits the soldier standing to his right with his sword, he will only bump the man's shield - whereas if he inadvertedly strikes the man to his left, he will risk cutting the man's unprotected right arm or side.

    Swords were worn on the right by a number of ancient soldiers that fought in tight infantry formations - including the Carthaginians, Spaniards, and other Italian peoples in addition to the Romans. Numerous contemporary artistic renditions confirm that it was also the practice of the Celtic and at least some of the Germanic and Dacian peoples with whom the Romans fought, up until the 2nd or 3rd Centuries.

    With barbarian peoples, wearing the sword on the right may have held a different significance. Considering that "barbarians" in fact often fought in tight, phalanx-like formations as well (take the Suebi with whom Caesar fought), this partially explains their bearing the sword on the right as well. But barbarians - at least amongst the lower classes - were not nearly as well-armed as the Romans, and swords were something of a luxury in the ranks of the common warriors. A Gaulish warrior who found himself in possession of a sword might wear it on the the right so that his shield wouldn't obscure it from view - thus rendering his high-class weapon visible for friend and foe alike to see and envy.

    Roman soldiers appear to have been wearing their swords on the right side of the body from earliest times. Pictorial evidence suggests that it was not until the late 1st Century BC/early 1st Century AD that legionary centurions were given the privilege of conveniently wearing their swords on the left - this, along with their vitis (vinestaff) and fustis (riot-baton) was one of the indicators of centurial rank.

    In the 190's AD, Septimius Severus made a number of military reforms, some of which lightened the discipline in the Army. One of these reforms was to allow common legionaries and auxiliaries to wear their swords on the left side as well. Tombstones indicate that by the first decade of the 3rd Century, soldiers in every corner of the Empire had taken up this practice. The last depictions of barbarians with their swords on the right also date to the 2nd Century - suggesting that they copied their Roman neighbors in the abolition of this old custom.
  • ch80ch80 Member Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    ^ this. Also the size of your shield would be indicative of the ease with which you could draw your sword across your body. Nice video find btw.
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  • ladydwarfladydwarf Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    xearrik wrote: »
    Buy a sword and scabbard and try it for your self. It's very easy. Then pretend to hold a heavy shield in your left hand and draw the same sword from your left hip.

    Here is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94c88HfACfQ

    It took me 30 seconds to find

    Nice video. Given the size of shields in Neverwinter, it definitely makes sense to have them sheathed on the right.
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