how to fix NWO

oshannon · July 4

disagree that the game needs help all you want, but it's easy to see that the player base is eroding steadily.

Fix 1. Allow anything to be unbound. Right now you have unbind tokens that are absolutely useless because nothing that can be unbound is worth unbinding.

Fix 2. Remove roles (dps, healer, tank) from the classes. Assign them to the gear. Your gear dictates what role you're playing. If I want to come in as a jack of all trades and have gear split equally between tanking/healing/dpsing, great. It's not that hard to do, you already have stats assigned to the gear.

Right now it takes forever to queue for any random content because you just can't find tanks. There's your fix.

jana · July 5

I think the specializing helps you maybe play better. Being a tank isn't that easy, I have one character that is and she is still learning.

greywynd · July 5

If you need a tank, play the tank.

mithmyrr · July 5

People are already able to play tank, and don't. How is your solution (which is completely 0% chance of happening) going to fix people not playing tank?

hadestemplar · July 5

oshannon#5015 said:
disagree that the game needs help all you want, but it's easy to see that the player base is eroding steadily.

Fix 1. Allow anything to be unbound. Right now you have unbind tokens that are absolutely useless because nothing that can be unbound is worth unbinding.

Fix 2. Remove roles (dps, healer, tank) from the classes. Assign them to the gear. Your gear dictates what role you're playing. If I want to come in as a jack of all trades and have gear split equally between tanking/healing/dpsing, great. It's not that hard to do, you already have stats assigned to the gear.

Right now it takes forever to queue for any random content because you just can't find tanks. There's your fix.

Issues is correct, but solution is wrong.

Lets start with idea/concept.
The concept you are suggesting itself is not new, and already so and played games which utilize such system. It have benfits and flaw. But thing s that it can't be applied here in Neverwinter online due simple reason.
Neverwinter online is based on D&D lore. The classes, races, real and even story arcs are already defined in D&D lore and there is not much you can do about it. The company which own IP ( intelectual property) are WIzards of the Coast
And when you have game build/design based on their license, you can only make changes if you get their ( IP owners) approval.

Your suggestion is to more less remove classes means eliminate one if core element of D&D. And it's hard to even dream about that Wizards of the Coast would approve that...

The other thing, is that to apply it would means, more less overhaul whole game, and with it's current situation, it's age, and current situation within Embracer group. I am sorry, but thats simply impossible. It would be considered as high risk invesment and current Embracer Groups top heads would not appriciate of such action.

And one other thing.. Lets assume developers due various reasons would implement such system. What odds that this make queue/party building faster?? none.

Players will stick with their current builds anyways. So you end up same place without fixing anything.

The reason why there is long queue waiting is simple.. Two months after expansion release, big portion of players simply become less active. It's the usual thing in this game... Players get bored and for time their explore other games or other activities..

Other thing, lot of players do random dungeon q's with friends, guild/alliance members, or players from custom chat groups. Build up party before q to random dugeons. This way same their time, and also make sure there is no usual pug hate fiesta.

Now the thing which need to point out. More less harsh reality of game and whole reason why there is long delays within queue/party building.

More players focus on dps gameplays cuz it's easier and more attractive with current game situation.
I mean, why should I play as heal/tank and fight group of enemies for 3 min if with dps class/build I can blast same group enemies with one or two hits?
There is not real encouragment for players to play as real heal/tank. For most time players do content solo, and your service as heal/tank only required in end game. And beore you reach that point need of your service is more less not required.

Non dungeon content??? How much do we have conent where in open non dungeon area would require tank/heal??? Bhe? but in most cases when group players come to bhe train, healer may restore just ~10% of players Hp ( in best case) more less your presence is not required.
tank? what for?? Enemies get wiped easily and fast and your can more less got afk if want, your presence is not required.

Skirmish??? no tank/heal required. Lot of times one player more less carry rest of group.. ( traditionally).

Random dungeons??? players with dps speendrun through them before heal/tank can do anything, cuz even with scaling down, players still have high stats making tank/heal presence as irrelevant.
Random advanced dungeons?? same case as normal random dungeons.. I have been multiple times in party where inside infernal citadel ranger was top dps and more less tanked in whole dungeon run. Even trolled second boss... So what the point to bring tank??? LoMM?? I am sorry, tank not required.
ToNG?? long time stop need of tank or heal.

With healer is thing that heal potion easily recover 70% of your HP all alone, so what the point to bring healer?? Healer more less become as tool to buy time till HP potion cool down ends.

The only field where you as tank/heal are trully rquired is end game.

It's not the first ime this game got in such situation.. mod 10~15, mod 18~19. I mean in this time I was doing dungeons on HC mode solo. Even without having end game gear and playing as warlock( one of bottom dps class).

And now lets not forget not long ago we have buffings fiesta for various(popular) classes. But after that there as no scaling system updates to match recent class buffings and current situation with gears.

Lets not forget that more new gear sets got added to game, even gear in seal vendor increase IL and stats for players to point making random dungeon content runs as joke.

The 80k IL player eaily can carry groups through most of game contents, and 80k is no longer a thing.

plasticbat · July 5

oshannon#5015 said:
disagree that the game needs help all you want, but it's easy to see that the player base is eroding steadily.

The player base is eroding steadily because the game is 'boring', easy and more or less doing the same thing every mod.

oshannon#5015 said:

Fix 1. Allow anything to be unbound. Right now you have unbind tokens that are absolutely useless because nothing that can be unbound is worth unbinding.

This so called 'fix' does not fix anything for the eroding player base. Stuff being bound is not the reason. Changing it does nothing to the player base. It is indifferent.

oshannon#5015 said:

Fix 2. Remove roles (dps, healer, tank) from the classes. Assign them to the gear. Your gear dictates what role you're playing. If I want to come in as a jack of all trades and have gear split equally between tanking/healing/dpsing, great. It's not that hard to do, you already have stats assigned to the gear.

If you don't like role, ask them to get rid of the role requirement. Ask them to get rid of RQ. No need to assign role to gear. RQ raged tons of players away when it was introduced. Barbarian can come in as tank now but do they do it now? If they don't even want to switch the loadout, will they actually get the tank gear to begin with? Even if they can appear as tank because of the 'technical' role, will they actually play like tank?

Before RQ, players asked for tank and heal in the chat. It was the players who wanted to form the party asked because of the actual need of the run and not because of being forced by the game's role requirement. In fact, I once played the role of 'tank' as a TR. Not for taking a lot of hit but for grabbing aggro. We could not find a regular tank at that moment. Hence, we agreed on the strategy for the sake of trying (for fun) instead of waiting. It worked. It was the time when there was no such thing as role requirement.

oshannon#5015 said:

Right now it takes forever to queue for any random content because you just can't find tanks. There's your fix.

Don't do RQ. Set up your party to do private queue. No, this won't fix the game. It fixes one thing that bother you.

robai · July 25

oshannon#5015 said:
Right now it takes forever to queue for any random content because you just can't find tanks. There's your fix.

I play my tanks (or healer) for random queues for bonus AD and usually no delay. I play them as DPS anyway

(I'm not doing Advanced dungeons since usually watching movies when playing Neverwinter).

But I'd like to see Advanced Random Skirmishes. It would be a risk to fail, but it's more fun to play your true DPS class and earn daily AD. Some players are so powerful that classes don't really matter.

lordmanik · September 3

It's too late to remove roles, can't see it working now, 10 years after release. But I think unbind tokens would be nice for it to work on gear. I also think that gear shouldn't be class specific, so anyone can wear it. Coz it sucks to get gear for other classes that you don't use. Or at least it should give us a choice pack, so you can choose what class you want it for.

It's true that there aren't many tanks in the game, but it's also true that there aren't many useful companions and artifacts for tanks too.

Also I have a tank, it does sometimes take a while to queue as a tank too. Sometimes it's instant, but most of the time it takes a while for qpop. And I usually queue rdq or rtq when I'm on my own.

fridgereaver · November 27

GM Ovric of Arc Games Support asked me to repeat this in the forums, and it is me to blame, if may choice to do it specifically here was not so genius:

There is only one concern for a REAL aka legally operating company left:

The failure to NOT react in a business aka hype & advertising way to the success of #BG3 aka Baldur's Gate 3. The sales prove AGAIN that roleplayers are the larger & more reliable customer group. NOT drug addicts and NOT anti-social dungeon rushers aka ZERGS aka living spoilers.

Your game could have been revived into a decently lucrative one, if only you would have chosen to offer a real D&D game, not generic MMO junk we know, and get cost free, for decades already.

I can't help you any more, as my ex-homeless life was far from high income AND without the crucial business courses or university studies to update & improve my education.

My regards

Andre M. Pietroschek

hustin1 · December 9

The success of ESO would bear this out. You don't chase gear in ESO: everything is scaled and enemies in one area appear no tougher than in any other area. You chase storylines. They sell content and you buy that content. There is no endless gear treadmill: once you reach a certain point, your gear is always good enough and any further gains are minimal. Their business model is to sell content, not endless upgrades, and their player base flourishes. It would be a drastic change to NW's business model to switch over to this but it would eliminate a lot of the things that have incensed players enough to leave over the years. In six weeks I'll have been playing NW for 11 years and I've seen many player exoduses, and the reason is usually the endless upgrade treadmill. Is that always the case? Of course not -- when they oversimplified the game in Mod 16 they lost a lot of people and when they brought the Foundry down they lost all of the roleplayers (the overwhelming majority of roleplayers didn't roleplay at Moonstone Mask, they did it in custom Foundry roleplaying maps). But the upgrade treadmill has caused more exoduses than any other.

P.S. If you want to see what the Foundry could do, click the link in my sig. I managed to capture some playthroughs right before it was brought town. There were dozens of custom maps that roleplayers used -- I left reviews for many of them **. All of those roleplayers left the game when it was brought down.

** The end chest in roleplaying maps is typically inaccessible to prevent gaming the system, but with a rogue, Shadowy Disappearance, and an hour's worth of persistence... What can I say--I was chasing a Foundry achievement that had to do with how many quests you reviewed. Foundry achievements granted rewards, like cloaks, titles, companions, and mounts. The night before it was brought down for good I made Dungeon Master rank 4. It granted the "Foundry Stalwart" title, which I use to this day.

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