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rgutscheradev
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Boons have been revamped so that players can buy more boons at the Tier 5 and Master level. Those additional boons will cost more (2 for the next, then 3, then 4, and so on), but you can now buy as many different boons as you like, within the limit of your boon points.
Because of the changes, players will need to re-buy their Tier 5 and Master boons (those boon points have been refunded to them).
If players want to exactly reproduce their previous boon purchases, they can; nothing has gone up in price. It's just that now there are some further options available for players to spend their boon points on.
There are many changes to Tier 6 (Master) campaign boons, particularly around the triggering conditions, to make those boons more appealing.
Changes to Master Boons
Bugfixes to Specific Boons
Known Issues
Because of the changes, players will need to re-buy their Tier 5 and Master boons (those boon points have been refunded to them).
If players want to exactly reproduce their previous boon purchases, they can; nothing has gone up in price. It's just that now there are some further options available for players to spend their boon points on.
There are many changes to Tier 6 (Master) campaign boons, particularly around the triggering conditions, to make those boons more appealing.
Changes to Master Boons
- Various tooltip clarifications (in particular, proc chances are given).
- "On kill" proc has become "On kill or on taking > 50% damage".
- "On Encounter Use" has stayed the same.
- "On At-Will Use" has had the < 30% HP requirement removed.
- "On heal" has become "on heal or being healed".
Bugfixes to Specific Boons
- Death's Bulwark boon should now correctly grant Critical Avoidance when it triggers.
- Clarifed tooltips on the Campaign Boons Lingering Medicine, Lingering Fortification, and Lingering Power, to make it clear they can proc with Stones of Health. This is not a functional change, just a tooltip clarification.
- The Blood Lust boon decreased the target's Defense. However, since only players have a Defense stat, this usually had no effect. That part of the boon has been changed to "Target takes 1% moire damage from you per rank for 10 seconds".
Known Issues
- It's possible to spend more boon points than you actually have if you do clever combinations of buying, unbuying, and committing.
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-I would recommend rebalancing boons for each tier to give 1% per each boon for a total of 5% in stat that way every role has a better option and a wide choice of selection. (Note: Read my following suggestion before saying but thats 20% in power)
-Remove the 3 extra power and extra health boon slots in tier 2-4 and replace them with dmg bonuses for other enemy types since were lacking so many enemy types.
-Tier 5 feels like it should match with ability bonuses. For example, Physical dmg boost, Magical dmg boost should replace Forte and Control Bonus because those two skills provide very little to no value to any role. You could put those instead in lower tier boons as replacement.
-Death's bulwark is extremely niche and for the most part useless on a tank. Rather than being more def % it should be less incoming dmg because more than likely all tanks on higher end content already run 90% cap on def %. We also have blessed resilience for healers to provide tanks with extra def % if their new tanks or if tanks decide to build hybrid for mob clearing during a dungeon.
-Enhanced application rank 1 would be much better if it gave 1% total healing stacking per rank to compensate healers. Since not of the other master boons really give healers bonuses directly to our healing.
-Just a suggestion, would be nice if you guys gave us healers an Outgoing healing bonus in stronghold boons and change the current ratings to percentages to help better balance stats rather than a flat rating that over caps. Currently healers struggle much more than any other role to achieve their stats caps, so I hope this feedback alleviates with the current problems most players struggle.
-I am also not a fan of the new bloodlust boon because one of the reasons endgame players in Xbox are so scarce. People want highest dps players in their groups. This just opens up to self center dps who solely rely on their on numbers rather than willing to work with others in a random group.
I hope you guys take into consideration the feedback and considering adjusting the boons a bit more as they currently stand is terrible distribution of stats. I would like to see more of the gear you guys bring out to be used outside of the specific gear bonuses people use to meet percentage caps.
Boons that currently ad 0.2% stats per point --> to 0.5% for a max of 2.5%
Gold Gain --> Rough AD Gain 2.5% per point to a max of 12.5% ( Currently gold gain is useless)
Lingering Medicine/ Fortification/ Power -->Change them to Damage and Damage resistance to different type of creatures
Dissenchanting Aura --> Change to Increase Incoming Healing 0.5% per Rank for a max of 2.5%
Constant Control --> Change to Increased Magical Damage by 1% per rank ( Currently control is useless)
Welcome Blessing --> Change to Reduce incoming Damage by 1% per Rank
Master Class --> Change to Increase Physical Damage by 1% per Rank
Edit:
Guild Stronghold Boons
Change all fixed stat boons to grant percentages.
Example:
Power Bonus
300 Power and 80 Combined Rating per Structure rank --> 0.3 % Power and 80 Combined Rating per Structure rank
Hit Points Bonus
1200 Maximum Hit Points and 80 Combined Rating per Structure Rank --> 1.2% Maximum Hit Points and 80 Combined Rating per Structure Rank
Control Resist bonus --> Change to Deflect Severity Bonus
Enchance Overload: Companion Ward and Slayer --> Change to Increase Companion Damage and Damage Resistance by 5%-50%.
Master Boons: Keep as on Mod 27 Preview, those are welcome changes.
Advanced Boons: 5 Ranks Each
- Action Point Gain: 1% Per Rank
- Recharge Speed: 1% Per Rank
- Stamina Regeneration: 1% Per Rank
- Movement Speed: 2.5% Per Rank
- Potions Bonus: 2.5% Per Rank
Regular Boons: 5 Ranks Each, 5 LayersEach Layer has Damage, Hit Points, 1 Offense, 1 Defense, 1 Utility
- Offense/Defense/Utility Stat: 0.5% Per Rank for 5 Ranks (Max 2.5% Per Stat)
- Damage/Hit Points: 0.1% Per Rank for 5x5 Ranks (Max 2.5% Per Stat when investing in all layers)
As an example for 1 Layer of Regular Boons:Damage (0/5): 0.1% Per Rank, Hit Points (0/5): 0.1% Per Rank, Power (0/5): 0.5% Per Rank, Defense (0/5): 0.5% Per Rank, Forte (0/5): 0.5% Per Rank
Notes:
Utility Boons correspond to the Utility Stats in your Character Sheet, i.e., Forte, Outgoing Healing, Incoming Healing, Control Bonus, and Control Resistance.
Damage Boons were specific to dealing more damage to a certain type of enemy and thus useless to Healers. This would change it to be a lower amount but be an overall Damage boost that helps both DPS and Healers, and is also way more consistent. Thus, no one loses out but rather has a better benefit that applies to all.
As for the Damage Resistance Boons, those were all HP Boosts with flavored names (they never gave you DR against specific enemy types, just boosted to your total HP), so they still exist in this system as they were before, just being referred to as Hit Point Boons which reflects what they actually did in the older system as well.
The healing seems to work properly but the not over time healing is way better on fast hitting at-wills like duellist's flurry than slower ones. Also having a different name for the heal over time and the direct heal in the combat log would make testing easier.
Life Lessons:
The extra damage is again way better on fast hitting at-wills than on slower ones
Life Lessons:
Sometimes I suddenly deal 10x the base damage compared to other procs according to the combat log:
The healing is way lower than expected. According to the tooltip it should be 3*10% of the damage dealt (all damage or just the damage from life lessons?). In reality the heal is barely noticable at best and often not even healing 1k health:
For reference that's my outgoing damage from the test above:
Just have the same number of boons for all stats, maybe take the opportunity to offer a little more than 1/4% per stats... Hell why not make it uncapped? So if one person decides they want to put 100 boons into power because it fits his build, then he can...
And then keep the more creative/exotic stuff on the side, and for advanced boons.
> The changes to tier 5 and master boons are ok so far. Please consider changes to lower levels as stated below.
> Boons that currently ad 0.2% stats per point --> to 0.5% for a max of 2.5%
> Gold Gain --> Rough AD Gain 2.5% per point to a max of 12.5% ( Currently gold gain is useless)
> Lingering Medicine/ Fortification/ Power -->Change them to Damage and Damage resistance to different type of creatures
> Dissenchanting Aura --> Change to Increase Incoming Healing 0.5% per Rank for a max of 2.5%
> Constant Control --> Change to Increased Magical Damage by 1% per rank ( Currently control is useless)
> Welcome Blessing --> Change to Reduce incoming Damage by 1% per Rank
> Master Class --> Change to Increase Physical Damage by 1% per Rank
>
> Edit:
> Guild Stronghold Boons
> Change all fixed stat boons to grant percentages.
> Example:
> Power Bonus
> 300 Power and 80 Combined Rating per Structure rank --> 0.3 % Power and 80 Combined Rating per Structure rank
> Hit Points Bonus
> 1200 Maximum Hit Points and 80 Combined Rating per Structure Rank --> 1.2% Maximum Hit Points and 80 Combined Rating per Structure Rank
>
> Control Resist bonus --> Change to Deflect Severity Bonus
> Enchance Overload: Companion Ward and Slayer --> Change to Increase Companion Damage and Damage Resistance by 5%-50%.
Exactly. I totally agree with you on this, the current boon rework feels like a patch over an open wound. They need to address the rest of the table and same goes with the guild bonuses. Boons should be a staple to fill in gaps in builds. They should provide every person the opportunity for diversity. Like if there was 2 rings and both offer a high amount of power. Then I would be capping power but then im short on another skill and maybe is by 1 or 2%. Boons would be able to adjust the builds. Each mod they offer us so much variety of gear that could potentially be used but then we are stuck with problems where were short 1 or 2% to hit a cap and we have to fall back on the "meta build." The current boon system is massive, and it would take a long time to fill it completely, it's just how terrible most of the boons are that they are even considering this rework to alleviate the pressure.
They also need to increase HitPoints up from 0.2% up to 1% given Artifacts often offer more for Hitpoints and Runspeed; and the Marathon Runner boon gives 2.5% each. Still there's only 1 movement boon, and there are 4 Hitpoint Tiers.
Initial Reaction From BOON changes:
Feedback: While I think allowing More Master & Tier 5 is good.
╘ I like they now allow multiple Master & Tier 5 boons, it's also good they've extended the healing to include being healed.
╘ A double edge sword: MANY will drop those weak 0.2% boons in favor of far more Tier 5 & Master boons.
Feedback: Tier 1-4 BOONs are a little underwhelming, as author above stated.
╘ I agree with the person above those that offer 0.2% bonus each, is underwhelming yet 1% is a bit too much!
╘ Suggest doubling 0.2% to at least 0.4% each, & reduce Power Boons by 50%; offering 2 new Enemy Dmg & Resist.
╚ This wouldn't offer any additional power, per the TOP suggestion; yet is also easier for them to consider.
NOTE: It also allow Crit strike, Crit Severity, Accuracy, Combat Adv, & all defensive stats that only offer 1% for everything except power to at least go to 2%--this will also discourage everyone from simply clearing more lower tier tier BOONs, instead of adding 4th, or 5th set of Tier 5 or Master Boons which offer considerably more!
Feedback: Finally, Hit Points Boons must at least offer 1% not 0.2% GIVEN Run Speed (offers 2.5% each) for total of 12.5%
Be good to see all other Offensive & Defensive Boons also give 0.4% each for maximum 2% not 1%.
╘ Ensures people weight accordingly, as opposed to drop those at 0.2% or 1% for 5, in favor far more Tier 5 or Master.
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@rgutscheradev --I like several idea's others suggested, just tried to balance it a bit, so maybe it might be considered..
Have a good day!
I have a whole loadout full of gold gain from various sources.
I use it a lot.
Thank you.
> I've always thought you do an entire Campaign, and after earning 5 boons, you basically only EARN 1% bonus at 0.2% each. Still I do think there is a viable case for at least doubling the 0.2% out to 0.4% or 2% (max) per SET of 5. They also need to increase HitPoints up from 0.2% up to 1% given Artifacts often offer more for Hitpoints and Runspeed; and the Marathon Runner boon gives 2.5% each. Still there's only 1 movement boon, and there are 4 Hitpoint Tiers.
>
> Initial Reaction From BOON changes:
>
> Feedback: While I think allowing More Master & Tier 5 is good. :+1: :+1:
> ╘ I like they now allow multiple Master & Tier 5 boons, it's also good they've extended the healing to include being healed.
> ╘ A double edge sword: MANY will drop those weak 0.2% boons in favor of far more Tier 5 & Master boons.
>
> Feedback: Tier 1-4 are a little underwhelming, as author above stated. :-1:
> ╘ I agree with the person above those that offer 0.2% bonus each, is underwhelming yet 1% is a bit too much!
> ╘ Suggest doubling 0.2% to at least 0.4% each, & reduce Power Boons by 50%; offering 2 new Enemy Dmg & Resist. :+1:
> ╚ This wouldn't offer any additional power, per the TOP suggestion; yet is also easier for them to consider.
>
> NOTE: It also allow Crit strike, Crit Severity, Accuracy, Combat Adv, & all defensive stats that only offer 1% for everything except power to at least go to 2%--this will also discourage everyone from simply clearing more lower tier tier BOONs, instead of adding 4th, or 5th set of Tier 5 or Master Boons which offer considerably more!
>
> Feedback: Finally, Hit Points Boons must at least offer 1% not 0.2% GIVEN Run Speed (offers 2.5% each) for total of 12.5% :-1:
>
> Be good to see all other Offensive & Defensive Boons also give 0.4% each for maximum 2% not 1%. :+1:
> ╘ Ensures people weight accordingly, as opposed to drop those at 0.2% or 1% for 5, in favor far more Tier 5 or Master.
>
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> @rgutscheradev --I like several idea's others suggested, just tried to balance it a bit, so maybe it might be considered..
>
> Have a good day!
Thanks, I totally agree to bring it around 2.5% stat bonus for multiple skills rather than a flat line 1% for all. The idea behind boons should be to help new players progress while giving old players gap closers to perfect new builds without falling into a "meta build". Hopefully they adjust the lower tiers to fit for both early and late game players alike. The only master boon I would like to see rework is the death's bulwark as I think def % won't help much a struggling tank constantly dropping below 50% rather a flat damage reduction would be better.
Replace or Update the Companion Enchancement: Armor Break
That gives a Chance on hit to reduce an Enemy's defense by up to 7.5% for 15 second's so does that also need to change to offer something else given Enemy don't have defense?
The Mount Bonus for Armor Breaker provides Critical Severity, not sure why the Companion Armor Break does (not) also provide a 7.5% chance at Critical Severity?
Feedback: I've noted above that some people are requesting that healing-type boons on the lower levels are replaced by damage boons. I would like to offer input here that while some people are overly focused on being glass canon builds to be top of the damage leaderboards (that's their prerogative) and that every stat they apply will be offensive and they can never get enough offensive stats for their appetites, please remember that not all players are like this and while healers and tanks can need to rely on defensive stats to stay alive longer and therefore keep others alive too (and the hitpoints boons and healing potion buff boons being suggested to be removed fall into this category) dps players can also want to create a more sturdy durable build which incorporates some or all of the defensive options to offer more survivability for whatever reason they choose, such as soloing through content or just not being a hassle to the healer or others while running group content.
As an example I have various builds myself as dps, but whatever build it is I always without fail select the healing potion boons and incorporate those into it, I get better bang for my buck when I use a potion and I like that feature being offered. Players need the option of having defensive stats to build a balanced dps build if that is their wish, and not everyone wants to be a glass canon so in my opinion the boons which offer some kind of defensive choices will always be needed, not only obviously by tanks and healers, but also by dps classes when relevant to the person making a more durable build. We have always had choices on what type of dps build we are making, if it is going to be glass canon or on the more durable side, to be more support, to be less of a bother to other players, to play completely solo, to do PVP, there are a multitude of reasons people make a build the way they do according to personal preference and need, and taking away those choices makes the game poorer and less engaging in the long run. And of course the tanks and healers are going to be needing those boon choices anyway which those people above are not really thinking about, they're forgetting not everyone plays the way they do or needs what they need. Cheers.
Also, doesn't this mean Drow and Menzoberranzan Drow need to have their racial bonuses changed?
That's the reason for my question should they consider perhaps revising this (shown above):
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Replace or Update the Companion Enchancement: Armor Break
That gives a Chance on hit to reduce an Enemy's defense by up to 7.5% for 15 second's so does that also need to change to offer something else given Enemy don't have defense?
The Mount Bonus for Armor Breaker provides Critical Severity, not sure why the Companion Armor Break does (not) also provide a 7.5% chance at Critical Severity?
----- So I kind of agree with why were both asking the same thing, still I prefer how they revised Blood Lust..
Those changes don't bring anything new to the game though, just more of what already exists...
Necrotic mastery, dino power, demonic mastery and cultist mastery are specialty boons and could be more useful updated to something more universal?
T4 and lower boons currently at .2% per rank (1% total) for 30+ day campaigns is and has been ridiculous. It's not motivational to run the same lengthy campaigns over and over on other characters for 1%... increase them, content is scaled anyway, increasing them won't simply allow the majority of players to blow through dungeons... So basically there won't be any new boons for like 10+ mods?...
Players ought to keep in mind that boon choice isn't always based upon dungeon content. When you are running around solo those potion and HP boons can be the difference between being sent back to the campfire or surviving. Some people like additional gold gain. Adding additional boons ((T1-T4 at least)/(for non-dps classes?)) may be a more beneficial than suggesting that particular ones be removed simply because you believe they are not useful because you don't use them...
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I would have thought they would have simply reduced the spaces between each boon, they they could add at least 2-3 row's on both the left & right sides. This was a graphic I did over a year ago suggesting they could add several additional boons...
Would also give a lot of room for several new specific Enemy Damage & Resistence Boon's as well. Still I think 0.2% is a bit too low as 5 boons only gives 1% those should be at least 2% for 5; and Hitpoints should offer 1% (each) even if it reduces the # of power & hitpoint boons. Then they could add a few more enemy damage & resistence buff's as there far more than 4 types of enemy in game. There is in fact a lot of room to add boons, at least 130 additional ones without the additions made to Master & Tier 5!
Still I do like they did allow more than 1 Master Boon, and also more than 2 Tier 5 Boon's. Still it's a bit late to expect them adding a few more Tier 1-4 choices for M27, maybe they'll slightly expand choice a few MODs later.. Still I mostly always though the 0.2% increment was a insignificant, and though it should have at least have been doubled up; even if that meant reducing a few like Power, Hitpoints, with a few new choices.
Your graphic edits are pretty damn good. Visuals can be quite effective.
Additional master and T5 boons isn't bad for the most part. Personally it just seems like a lack of effort on the devs to keep reusing things already in the game (why is the avatar of orcus still being used as a boss anyway? Was somewhat disappointed to see it again after running demonweb pits for the first time a few days ago).
When rgutscheradev stated: "Those additional boons will cost more (2 for the next, then 3, then 4, and so on) personally calculated the boon point cost of selecting 2 additional T5 and 3 additional master boons. At 4 boon points per mod it will take at least 9 mods to get them. "Ideally" don't see many players opting to spend 5 boon points for 1% boons when they can choose an additional T5 boon for 8 points and get 4%/an additional master boon for only 6 points and get various bonuses. The cost goes up as more higher tier boons are sought though so does the bonuses in total compared to the cheaper T1-T4 boons.
Not seeing why increasing the T4 and below boons would need/warrant the reduction of anything because scaled content will essentially take care of any increases anyway.
Chances are they will not add anything additional for Mod 27 in regard to boons (hell how many times have broken things in preview still get pushed through? lol). For the current state of what rgutscheradev posted, personally was expressing that boons can be expanded upon in the future. How cool it would have been for some new T1-T4 boons/reworks in the boon update as well to give players more of a variety of build changes rather than simply "you can get more T5 and master boons, enjoy another 10 week campaign".
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So it leaves lots of room for possibilities...
@rgutscheradev @ambassadorkael#6946
Going for those 12 boon points will add another 3 weeks to a player's progression per character if they don't already have them...
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SotD don't drop from ANYWHERE so that alone puts the dragon seal equipment out of reach for players who don't already have the currency. Even if they did have the currency prior it was capped at 1500 so they wouldn't have enough to get all vendor pieces anyway...
If they change it to where SotD drop in RDQ's and RSQ's (like with SotN in Mod 24) while keeping everything else the same then that will open things up for players seeking the dragon seal equipment and players that don't like RQ's would still be able to get SotSG outside of RQ's, essentially all the players win.
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"No amount of coding will change human behavior" - TriNitY
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