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Official: M26 Dungeon Feedback Thread
ambassadorkael
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The upcoming Demonweb Pits dungeon has been unlocked on the PC Preview shard (Mimic) for a limited time. Tokens to access the dungeon can be found in the WB. We'd love your feedback, you can leave it at the forums here!
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I'd recommend a party of 5 but that's just me..
One time, during the last boss phase where the spider comes to drop the rocks, the rocks stopped falling, and the next phase never appeared. I'm not sure what triggered this as it worked properly the other times.
The spiders that tether to the axe can be pushed off the edge of the platform and respawn in the center of the platform. Not sure if this is intended.
Graphically, visually, aesthetically, the dungeon is beautiful, perhaps the most beautiful you have ever created imo, well done!
The Demonweb Pits part is amazing.
Going into the focus.
FIRST BOSS
Its okish.
just make the boss invulnerable for 10 seconds when it goes in phase, so you get clones because with high dps players you will skip this mechanic.
SECOND BOSS
The only suggest I want give it's
make all the mobs inside this fight NOT CCABLE (cc immune)
THIRD BOSS - Lolth
Honestly I expected more, especially in terms of mechanics, for the fight against the Queen of the Demonweb Pits.
The pattern you have chosen is very interesting and makes combat very fun until the first three phases (entrance, Godly Weapon, Shield DPS CHECK).
Once these 3 phases are finished we can say that the fight is over. There will no longer be any specific mechanics to do, other than dodging two attacks (the gas which is currently buggy and most of the time not showing up, and the red areas it does on every player); this makes the second part of the fight really below expectations, especially if we look at the fight with Syndrith. Having some specific mechanics at this phase (below 50% hp) would have been the cherry on top the cake.
I understand that maybe we are now too close to the release date and therefore we can not expect big changes but make this part of the combat more engaged would be super appreciate.
I would like to suggest:
-add something like the "Spin Hypo" mechanics there's in the last phase of Zariel Master, at some %s of HP (like at 30%)
or
Change the SHIELD MECHANIC.
Actually we have 20% of HP as shield and 1minute to destroy the shield. Actually it lost is DPS CHECK meaning since we can easily destroy it and you have a lot of time also. So this do not show any particoular skill by team which is going to face a CRUCIAL phase.
SUGGESTION: reduce the Shield HP to 15% but reduce also the time to 30 seconds to destroy it. This will increase the difficulty of the phase and the requirement will be to do a perfect artis call by the team.
Would be awesome if you can also add a timer on the shield mechanics so it will repeat even before the last phase. Having another dps check, after 1 minute exactly after breaking the shield could make the fight really spicy.
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SHIELD MECHANICS: 15% Hp as shield; 30 second to destroy the shield (require perfect artis call from the team); make the shield mechanics repeteable while fighting (add 1 minute as timer when the team destroy the shield. When the shield is broken the time start and after 1 minute another shield will pop on boss).
FEEDBACK:
- The amount of health required to pass the clone phase is set before the phase happens which means that a big burst before the phase causes the clones to be skipped which really neuters the entire boss
- Green tether can target other allies (companions, clones, etc) which doesn't matter versus a player getting tossed
- The eye beams (even with the clones up) is not threatening at all, having it spin faster would make it more challenging and make the meteor + beam phase more dangerous
BUGS:
- Boss + clones can be de-synced for quad beam, clones get stuck on players and start their beam late
- Boss can continue her flurry of slashes (AOE attack in front of her) when she goes to do the beam. This means the boss will suddenly turn around from the tank and kill everyone between her and the middle of the arena as she heads there to do the mechanic.
Overall this boss is too easy even if all of these issues were addressed, the only major threat is the clones and they are only lethal if DPS get stacks from failing the meteors. Some other mechanic should be added to force people to group up during later meteor phases to avoid stacks and maybe a check at the end that causes a wipe if the group has too many skulls/meteor stacks.
2ND BOSS -
FEEDBACK:
- Most mobs shouldn't be CC-able, it gives a strong advantage to classes with CC and nullifies the threat of most of the mobs. In returns their damage should be tuned down a bit across the board since there won't be as easy a way to prevent them from hitting DPS
- The mobs vary quite a bit in their strength, they should be brought more in-line with one another:
Balor: All of its attacks are fast and hard hitting, 2 or 3 times as threatening as the other possible summons
Barlgura: Mostly fine, but the AOE CC slam lasts a bit too long and can take a tank out of their shield
Rotting Mane: Well balanced, could be more interesting other than just hard hits
Cruel Glabrezu: Claw grab has a long range and can keep the target CC'd even when the Glabrezu is controlled
Molten Zythar: Could use stronger AOE damage but less range to make the mob more unique
Succubus: Double slash does a lot of damage in a short amount of time, otherwise well designed
Meteor: Another non-threatening mob, needs to move faster and do more damage to be anywhere near relevance
Cultist: Summons are a bit too threatening considering that they can pop up immediately
Goristro: Charge and slap have a long windup and is overall not threatening enough
BUGS:
- Avatar of Orcus gets locked on a target and continues targeting them even when they go down
- Mobs can be repelled out of the arena by the CW encounter
- Balor can be controlled
- Boss has no animation after 20 seconds into the DPS check at the end, just standing there awkwardly
- A small portal opens at the end and then vanishes, probably from boss being a copy paste of Halaster
- Goristro's Gore does 15 damage sometimes
- Goristro charges in a different direction than what the visual indicates
- Molten Zythar's Rain of Fire does 3 damage
This boss is pretty fair, but being able to CC the mobs nullifies them too much and takes a lot away from the threat of the boss.
3RD BOSS - Lolth
FEEDBACK:
- Knock back is avoidable with anti-CC tank mechanics which strongly nullifies the soak damage mechanic, this should probably be changed
- Healing spiders are CC-able when the probably shouldn't since3 they are a core mechanic of the boss fight
- The final DPS check is too easy, especially considering that we should be fighting a god's avatar and the other mechanics are too weak
BUGS:
- Rocks can fall on the platform as the slanted phase ends causing unavoidable deaths
- Tilt phase can have missing falling AOEs and Godly weapon phase won't have any adds, Lolth will not come back to the platform when this happens
- Lolth's attacks usually require the target to be very close to her, this allows a person to continuously kite her and she will not do any mechanics, this is a massive bug
- Lolth can fail to shield herself in the final DPS check
- The purple gas appears invisible and does not seem to be working all the time
- It is possible to be stuck in the ground when the platform tilt is corrected
- The Godly Weapon can die seemingly randomly, not sure what the cause is
- Rocks can fall during the Godly weapon phase rarely
- Lolth will not move during the final DPS check
- Spread mechanic visual does not match when the hit occurs
- Final DPS check can sometimes not include the increasing damage over time
- Godly weapon will sometimes fail to be destroyed despite reaching 0 HP because of a spider healing it. It plays the animation and sound of it being destroyed, but nothing happens
A disappointing boss considering how hyped up Lolth has been by the story line and the fact that we should be fighting her avatar within her domain, while Tiamat's avatar was much more threatening outside of her place of power and with the assistance of Clerics and Elminster to banish her, here we are trying to defeat her avatar. It doesn't make sense both from the lore and story line that she would be so much easier than Gromph and demonic summons. Personally I would want to see an overhaul of the fight to have much more difficult and interesting mechanics, but I know that's not possible in the short term. Instead a lot of the mechanics should be buffed up significantly most notably the final DPS check.
high damage we can deal?
Problem is, some classes use CC powers for max st damage and some will have to replace their max ST damage powers by garbage powers for use a CC powers. So this will create a disavdvantage
Examples of enemies in the dungeon:
M26_Drow_Cultist_Scout_Standard
M25_Demon_Minion_Mane
M25_Demon_Elite_Hezrou
Spider_Bristle_Standard
Spider_Jump_Elite
Please prefix everything with e.g. "M26_DemonwebPits_" or "M26_Lolthdungeon_"
Bosses have unique names:
Dungeon_Lolthdungeon_Boss1
Dungeon_Lolthdungeon_Boss2
Dungeon_Lolthdungeon_Boss3
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and they have nothing to jealous on killing speed or have any disadvantage at all( talking about the first boss in mtos).
i would like to say if is any problem in the recent dungeons and trials is the unfair advantage a range dps vs a meelee dps that is a problem cryptic need to find a solution.