Infernal Citadel missing in queues

querz · April 2023

We just noticed that we can no longer queue for The Infernal Citadel through the queue window, neither public nor private.

Is there any information about why it was removed and when it will be back?
I couldn't find any recent announcement or a patch note where its removal was mentioned.

hadestemplar · April 2023

querz#5389 said:
We just noticed that we can no longer queue for The Infernal Citadel through the queue window, neither public nor private.

Is there any information about why it was removed and when it will be back?
I couldn't find any recent announcement or a patch note where its removal was mentioned.

It's been out for while.

There where glitches within dungeon.. One of well known where teleportation loop between three areas on path to first boss.

Also, for some time pug where abandoning this dungeon, and it was decided to simply termporally remove it. And eventially it got forggoten.

ksell · April 2023

It should be avaiable for direct Q, at least before current mod realase; lets hope it means they are working on it

hadestemplar · April 2023

ksell said:
It should be avaiable for direct Q, at least before current mod realase; lets hope it means they are working on it

While I don't mind and actually would like to see IC bact in dungeon q list. Even in non random daily q's.
I don't think it would get any popularity.

Now realisticly speaking, why someone would q for IC?? Reward wise?? Book of Vile Darkness set stop being relevant, other gear parts? Same case as artefac set.
For all theme park games, there is same thing.. Only latest two exapansion related contents are relevant. Other than that, forget it.

If there would be no random q system, as where before Chult campaign( mod 12). Most players would focus on latest two dungeons/trials. And rest of content where ignored/abandoned.

As long there is no reward, or other needs for players clear dungeon/skirmish. These contents get being skipped/ignored.

Other thing is clearing it.. Lets assume devs due some reasons bring it back. Most pugs would avoid it anyways. Unlike LoMM or ToNG, one player can't carry whole party through.

Also usually 7 from 10 pugs are someones alt toon, and they are not interest in challenges. They look for fast/easy dungeon/trial/skirmish clearing. Just to finish as soon it possible, claim rewards, switch account, q for other random q's.

Lets not forget even in these days players failing CR first boss ( three sisters). All is require to understand mechanics and team work. And sadly big portion of pugs try simply bulldoze through dungeons with raw stats or hope someone to carry them through. So they would have do little to nothing.

Once group get in slightly difficult postion, pugs simply hit /vote abandon. Or simply move out of dungeon area, and wait till someone votekick them. Or abandon dungeon.

Now try imagine to clear IC's second boss with pugs who don't want a challenge.. Once they notice it's not easy clearing, party will start abandoning IC.

So as long there is no decent rewards, no one would bother with this dungeon. Neither pugs, neither guilds.

rockster · April 2023

hadestemplar#9918 said:

ksell said:
It should be avaiable for direct Q, at least before current mod realase; lets hope it means they are working on it
So as long there is no decent rewards, no one would bother with this dungeon. Neither pugs, neither guilds.

This.

querz · April 2023

My point making this post wasn't to start a discussion whether IC is good or bad, i frankly don't care if you like to run it or not and we had this discussion a hundred times already on this forum, but to get information on why IC is suddenly missing from the queues since the release of this mod. Because i couldn't find any information neither by going through all patch notes since the mod release nor by searching in the forum for IC. So maybe someone has this information and would like to share.

I didn't want to post this in the Bug report forum because i thought there was some information i missed and it's intentional that IC isn't in the queues anymore.

ksell · April 2023

Even considering 1st boss bug, its not a reason to remove it from direct Q, unless they work on it.
As for reward there could be some improvement, i personaly dislike sytem used in tic n vos to get armor pieces.

CR is as bad as TIC, yet devs decided to fix only one; RADQ have only 4 dungeons, its high time to put another few there

rockster · April 2023

querz#5389 said:
My point making this post wasn't to start a discussion whether IC is good or bad, i frankly don't care if you like to run it or not and we had this discussion a hundred times already on this forum, but to get information on why IC is suddenly missing from the queues since the release of this mod. Because i couldn't find any information neither by going through all patch notes since the mod release nor by searching in the forum for IC. So maybe someone has this information and would like to share.

I didn't want to post this in the Bug report forum because i thought there was some information i missed and it's intentional that IC isn't in the queues anymore.

The hardest thing to ever get in Neverwinter is an explanation on why something was deleted by the Devs. They don't like to explain things, it's above them. They're kings and queens and we're just their peasant subjects. GL though and I fully support u in trying to find out. We've needed two-way transparent adult conversations on why things happen in our game for years and what justifies certain decisions they make, but it rarely if ever happens, they don't like doing it and think it's rude for us to ask why they did this or that, or at least it's too bothersome for them to even usually acknowledge at all. They do sometimes say what they want to say in a blog and appear to be sharing this kind of information, but it's never a two-way process where we get to really ask the right questions and delve into things or even challenge it, and then only because this or that Dev is feeling generous at the time or honking their own horn, and when they do live Q&A's it always looks to me at least like they just use them to talk about what they want to and stick to pre-determined talking points while skimming over the things they don't like being asked, while making the things they do talk about appear like it's random questions on the spur of the moment. Getting an answer to why this has been removed will be like pulling teeth, likely not even a response let alone a proper explanation, but GL anyway.

rockster · April 2023

It's in the Reapers queue today fwiw.

ksell · April 2023

@rockster#6227 thanks for sharing, now just need 4 other crazy volounteers

percemer · April 2023

Greetings,

We didn't remove it intentionally. It was not intended, and we will bring it back as soon as possible.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Regards,

rockster · April 2023

ty for letting us know.

fritz · April 2023

Current preview build:

dafusch1337 · May 2023

Atm. its gone again. Is there any Information about intentional removal this time? (I am having some diffículties finding related patchnotes)

plasticbat · May 2023

dafusch1337#1435 said:
Atm. its gone again. Is there any Information about intentional removal this time? (I am having some diffículties finding related patchnotes)

As far as I know, it was not put back to live.
The above images were from preview.

dafusch1337 · June 2023

@percemer when is TIC coming back? Any update on the issue?

PS: May I point out that TIC is part of Reapers Challange! Its quite impossible without training to run Reapers Challange TIC with new players. So how shall/can we/they prepare without access to it?

dafusch1337 · July 2023

@percemer Thank you for putting TiC back in RADQ

ksell · July 2023

1st bossed should have some rework, any vids yet ??

Infernal Citadel missing in queues

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