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overpenetration: a simplified "rework"

newversaillesnewversailles Member Posts: 25 Arc User
edited November 2022 in Player Feedback (PC)


i also don't understand why this should be a level 16 barbarian choice, unless level 16 barbarians should have power and accuracy ratings capped at that level
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,452 Arc User
    edited November 2022
    newversailles said:



    i also don't understand why this should be a level 16 barbarian choice, unless level 16 barbarians should have power and accuracy ratings capped at that level

    Last time I checked, you need both power and accuracy rating match or higher than your item level to get 5% more damage. It has nothing to do with percent. 'Rating' means the number side of the stat. The max of 'rating' (in 'rating contribution') gives you is 50%. i.e. when your stat number is higher or equal to your item level.

    Although the feat is opened in level 16, it has nothing to do with level 16. You don't have to set anything in level 16. I usually do not set up any feat until after I max out AND know what exactly I want for the 'overall' picture. Otherwise, I will need to spend retraining token to retrain it later.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • newversaillesnewversailles Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited November 2022
    plasticbat said:

    newversailles said:



    i also don't understand why this should be a level 16 barbarian choice, unless level 16 barbarians should have power and accuracy ratings capped at that level

    Last time I checked, you need both power and accuracy rating match or higher than your item level to get 5% more damage. It has nothing to do with percent. 'Rating' means the number side of the stat. The max of 'rating' (in 'rating contribution') gives you is 50%. i.e. when your stat number is higher or equal to your item level.

    Although the feat is opened in level 16, it has nothing to do with level 16. You don't have to set anything in level 16. I usually do not set up any feat until after I max out AND know what exactly I want for the 'overall' picture. Otherwise, I will need to spend retraining token to retrain it later.
    maybe i was not clear enough with my title. simplified as in: how i wish it was simplified as. title edited
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    If they wanted things simple, they wouldn't have done the combat rework.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • mignon#7663 mignon
    mignon#7663
         Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    A few things needs to change with this feat:
    1. Name - How does Overpenetration relate to Power/Accuracy Ratings capped?
    2. Requirements - Why does Barbarians have to suffer special conditions?
    3. Functionality - 5% Buff which only affects At-Wills/Encounters/Dailies?

    Barbarians are already handicapped by having 10% Crit Sev only while Unstoppable/Battlerage. Other classes have free extra stats like Fighter, 10% CA and class feature that gives 10% Crit Strike. Warlocks have 10% free Crit Sev. Thaumaturge Wizards can have up to 20% crit sev with a class feature and a feat...
  • newversaillesnewversailles Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    i don't understand why cryptic doesn't reply to those posts. i saw many more about overpenetration and how it's bad. and as far as we know they announced the next thing they're gonna rework is paladin heals. i don't want to reroll wizard, so i'll start playing actively when they fix barbarians i guess
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,452 Arc User
    newversailles said:

    i don't understand why cryptic doesn't reply to those posts. i saw many more about overpenetration and how it's bad. and as far as we know they announced the next thing they're gonna rework is paladin heals. i don't want to reroll wizard, so i'll start playing actively when they fix barbarians i guess

    Why would they? There is no 'right' answer they can provide unless they happen to be 'on it'. The only thing they may answer is the 'standard one: these information will be passed to the team, thank you, etc.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • newversaillesnewversailles Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    plasticbat said:

    newversailles said:

    i don't understand why cryptic doesn't reply to those posts. i saw many more about overpenetration and how it's bad. and as far as we know they announced the next thing they're gonna rework is paladin heals. i don't want to reroll wizard, so i'll start playing actively when they fix barbarians i guess

    Why would they? There is no 'right' answer they can provide unless they happen to be 'on it'. The only thing they may answer is the 'standard one: these information will be passed to the team, thank you, etc.
    i thought this was "player feedback", not "player feedback on things the devs are already working on"
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,452 Arc User
    edited December 2022
    newversailles said:



    plasticbat said:

    newversailles said:

    i don't understand why cryptic doesn't reply to those posts. i saw many more about overpenetration and how it's bad. and as far as we know they announced the next thing they're gonna rework is paladin heals. i don't want to reroll wizard, so i'll start playing actively when they fix barbarians i guess

    Why would they? There is no 'right' answer they can provide unless they happen to be 'on it'. The only thing they may answer is the 'standard one: these information will be passed to the team, thank you, etc.
    i thought this was "player feedback", not "player feedback on things the devs are already working on"
    Yes, exactly. "player feedback". Not "devs feedback". Why would they reply?
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    The devs rarely reply to anything. And never really give a straight answer.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • admiralwarlord#3792 admiralwarlord
    admiralwarlord#3792
         Member Posts: 632 Arc User
    Currently there is a big problem with this feat and it is in what the meta of the game has been asking for the end game and the name of this problem is called Tamed Velociraptor. It is impossible to reach power cap without losing a lot of % of it, even ignoring the box and boons. An urgent change is needed in this feat!
  • newversaillesnewversailles Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    admiralwarlord#3792 said:

    Currently there is a big problem with this feat and it is in what the meta of the game has been asking for the end game and the name of this problem is called Tamed Velociraptor. It is impossible to reach power cap without losing a lot of % of it, even ignoring the box and boons. An urgent change is needed in this feat!

    absolutely. i have tried and succeeded in an overpenetration build just by using gloves of precipitation and prime rib SH food. but the amount of stat waste is absolutely not worth it. i don't know why devs keep ignoring barbarian design issues
  • admiralwarlord#3792 admiralwarlord
    admiralwarlord#3792
         Member Posts: 632 Arc User
    My suggestion would be that Power be replaced by Critical Strike, since Critical Severity is not an option due to the skill that already delivers 10% of this attribute during Rage (which is another problem for me =) ).
  • newversaillesnewversailles Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    admiralwarlord#3792 said:

    My suggestion would be that Power be replaced by Critical Strike, since Critical Severity is not an option due to the skill that already delivers 10% of this attribute during Rage (which is another problem for me =) ).

    it should give 10% more damage, as it only buffs your class attacks (not mount or artifact) and requires an absurd condition to be met. but i'd be fine even 5% if the condition was just "reach 75-90% power" and not just cap rating, which nobody is doing in raptor builds
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