Suggestion: Decrease Captain Redfox total HP

ltgamesttv · June 2022

As the title states, it feels like Captain Redfox has too much HP (or perhaps too much defense tbh, I didn't pay much attention to the actual damage I was doing). The fight is too long for being a mini boss/solo boss imho.

It's not mechanically challenging, challenging mechanics are much more fun to me than simply elongating a relatively simple fight. Redfox has maybe 3 moves to avoid/dodge, and it simply becomes a matter of doing this over, and over, and over again. I'm sure some classes/gear scores can wipe this mini boss relatively quickly, but for the average player... it feels a bit much.

Thoughts?

chaderickrax · June 2022

I ran into this same thing. The AI campaign builds progressively in challenge, then spikes sharply at Redfox - there's no warning or justification, just "holy HAMSTER, she won't die..."

And then you get the big bad in Chult, and it dies after two or three encounters.

(NOTE: The answer is NOT make the bird tougher. The problem is Redfox!!!)

hadestemplar · June 2022

Would you mind to tell which quest in AI campaing this Redfox is?

Two weeks ago I went through AI campaing in speedruning way. No one put a fight, though I had lv up gear.

plasticbat · June 2022

I have not done AI for a long time. Captain Redfox should be the lover of Jaza (the quest that needs to go to Skyhold to find Jaza). Captain Redfox was a push over (killed in seconds) in my time.

ltgamesttv · June 2022

plasticbat said:
I have not done AI for a long time. Captain Redfox should be the lover of Jaza (the quest that needs to go to Skyhold to find Jaza). Captain Redfox was a push over (killed in seconds) in my time.

I ran the AI recently (last week) on 9 characters, one of each class, all 60K item level +. While my Rogue and Warlock were the fastest, they ALL took an overabundant amount of time to kill this mini boss.

You may argue "well you just don't know how to play the classes" or "you may not have good stats" or some such. I would have to say, that all the players going through this quest campaign aren't going to be as geared as I was, nor will they all be "pros" at the game with perfect builds and skills.

The point being that, regardless of how skilled or geared I may or may not be... it took TOO long for a mini boss of this level for a quest that isn't even the end of the campaign/adventure.

The deep crow, who by comparison should be much more difficult imho, in comparison *did* take seconds.

To be quite honest, I'd imagine you're just remembering incorrectly, since you stated you ran it a "long time ago" because the other alternatives would be less flattering.

plasticbat · June 2022

ltgamesttv#0999 said:

plasticbat said:
I have not done AI for a long time. Captain Redfox should be the lover of Jaza (the quest that needs to go to Skyhold to find Jaza). Captain Redfox was a push over (killed in seconds) in my time.
I ran the AI recently (last week) on 9 characters, one of each class, all 60K item level +. While my TR and Warlock were the fastest, they ALL took an overabundant amount of time to kill this mini boss.

You may argue "well you just don't know how to play the classes" or "you may not have good stats" or some such. I would have to say, that all the players going through this quest campaign aren't going to be as geared as I was, nor will they all be "pros" at the game with perfect builds and skills.

The point being that, regardless of how skilled or geared I may or may not be... it took TOO long for a mini boss of this level for a quest that isn't even the end of the campaign/adventure.

The deep crow, who by comparison should be much more difficult imho, in comparison *did* take seconds.

To be quite honest, I'd imagine you're just remembering incorrectly, because the other alternatives would be less flattering.

I would not argue because when I played it, it involved no skill to kill the mini boss. So, I fully expected it is totally changed. Yes, it took seconds and I played 6 characters to do that many times (long time ago). Even my worst DPS paladin could do that fast.

ltgamesttv · June 2022

plasticbat said:

ltgamesttv#0999 said:

plasticbat said:
I have not done AI for a long time. Captain Redfox should be the lover of Jaza (the quest that needs to go to Skyhold to find Jaza). Captain Redfox was a push over (killed in seconds) in my time.
I ran the AI recently (last week) on 9 characters, one of each class, all 60K item level +. While my TR and Warlock were the fastest, they ALL took an overabundant amount of time to kill this mini boss.

You may argue "well you just don't know how to play the classes" or "you may not have good stats" or some such. I would have to say, that all the players going through this quest campaign aren't going to be as geared as I was, nor will they all be "pros" at the game with perfect builds and skills.

The point being that, regardless of how skilled or geared I may or may not be... it took TOO long for a mini boss of this level for a quest that isn't even the end of the campaign/adventure.

The deep crow, who by comparison should be much more difficult imho, in comparison *did* take seconds.

To be quite honest, I'd imagine you're just remembering incorrectly, because the other alternatives would be less flattering.
I would not argue because when I played it, it involved no skill to kill the mini boss. So, I fully expected it is totally changed. Yes, it took seconds and I played 6 characters to do that many times. Even my worst DPS paladin could do that fast.

It definitely may have changed, I have no reference point for that at all, so I'll defer to your experience at that time. However, more recently, it takes much too long. It doesn't take any skill imho, as it's like 3 or 4 attacks to deal with. It's just too long, with too much HP. This makes it a very boring fight, as others stated as well.

plasticbat · June 2022

ltgamesttv#0999 said:

plasticbat said:

ltgamesttv#0999 said:

plasticbat said:
I have not done AI for a long time. Captain Redfox should be the lover of Jaza (the quest that needs to go to Skyhold to find Jaza). Captain Redfox was a push over (killed in seconds) in my time.
I ran the AI recently (last week) on 9 characters, one of each class, all 60K item level +. While my TR and Warlock were the fastest, they ALL took an overabundant amount of time to kill this mini boss.

You may argue "well you just don't know how to play the classes" or "you may not have good stats" or some such. I would have to say, that all the players going through this quest campaign aren't going to be as geared as I was, nor will they all be "pros" at the game with perfect builds and skills.

The point being that, regardless of how skilled or geared I may or may not be... it took TOO long for a mini boss of this level for a quest that isn't even the end of the campaign/adventure.

The deep crow, who by comparison should be much more difficult imho, in comparison *did* take seconds.

To be quite honest, I'd imagine you're just remembering incorrectly, because the other alternatives would be less flattering.
I would not argue because when I played it, it involved no skill to kill the mini boss. So, I fully expected it is totally changed. Yes, it took seconds and I played 6 characters to do that many times. Even my worst DPS paladin could do that fast.
It definitely may have changed, I have no reference point for that at all, so I'll defer to your experience at that time. However, more recently, it takes much too long. It doesn't take any skill imho, as it's like 3 or 4 attacks to deal with. It's just too long, with too much HP. This makes it a very boring fight, as others stated as well.

My post (my first post in this thread) was meant to point out what that quest is because most of us would not remember what it was. My experience is really irrelevant (yours is). That probably has been changed more than once. Since I played 6 characters equally back then (7 characters now), whatever I did would be reasonably quick and smooth. This quest is optional. If it took longer than normal, I would not keep playing it for 6 times per week (back then).

ltgamesttv · June 2022

plasticbat said:

ltgamesttv#0999 said:

plasticbat said:

ltgamesttv#0999 said:

plasticbat said:
I have not done AI for a long time. Captain Redfox should be the lover of Jaza (the quest that needs to go to Skyhold to find Jaza). Captain Redfox was a push over (killed in seconds) in my time.
I ran the AI recently (last week) on 9 characters, one of each class, all 60K item level +. While my TR and Warlock were the fastest, they ALL took an overabundant amount of time to kill this mini boss.

You may argue "well you just don't know how to play the classes" or "you may not have good stats" or some such. I would have to say, that all the players going through this quest campaign aren't going to be as geared as I was, nor will they all be "pros" at the game with perfect builds and skills.

The point being that, regardless of how skilled or geared I may or may not be... it took TOO long for a mini boss of this level for a quest that isn't even the end of the campaign/adventure.

The deep crow, who by comparison should be much more difficult imho, in comparison *did* take seconds.

To be quite honest, I'd imagine you're just remembering incorrectly, because the other alternatives would be less flattering.
I would not argue because when I played it, it involved no skill to kill the mini boss. So, I fully expected it is totally changed. Yes, it took seconds and I played 6 characters to do that many times. Even my worst DPS paladin could do that fast.
It definitely may have changed, I have no reference point for that at all, so I'll defer to your experience at that time. However, more recently, it takes much too long. It doesn't take any skill imho, as it's like 3 or 4 attacks to deal with. It's just too long, with too much HP. This makes it a very boring fight, as others stated as well.
My post (my first post in this thread) was meant to point out what that quest is because most of us would not remember what it was. My experience is really irrelevant (yours is). That probably has been changed more than once. Since I played 6 characters equally back then (7 characters now), whatever I did would be reasonably quick and smooth. This quest is optional. If it took longer than normal, I would not keep playing it for 6 times per week (back then).

Yeah, I think I read your statements incorrectly, I had assumed you were disagreeing saying I had taken too long, but the quest mini boss was fine. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I played the game for many years, then took a 4 year break and came back about a month and a half ago now. So my experience is only the most recent version of this questline.

Thanks for clarifying!

greywynd · June 2022

plasticbat said:
Captain Redfox should be the lover of Jaza

Jaza would contest that statement. He isn't into mammalian necrophilia.

stryker80 · June 2022

I've recently brought up a new Rogue alt, and yeah, Redfox was an unusually long fight. Not difficult, just loooooooong.

I'd done AI multiple times before without any issue whatsoever. If I were to guess, I'd say this became a thing when AI was converted to "Adventure" style. This new Rogue of mine is a bit twink-ish with account wide claims and has no difficulties elsewhere.

ltgamesttv · June 2022

stryker80#0653 said:
I've recently brought up a new Rogue alt, and yeah, Redfox was an unusually long fight. Not difficult, just loooooooong.

I'd done AI multiple times before without any issue whatsoever. If I were to guess, I'd say this became a thing when AI was converted to "Adventure" style. This new Rogue of mine is a bit twink-ish with account wide claims and has no difficulties elsewhere.

Yeah, I had "no difficulties" either. It's just an extremely long and boring fight. It's too long, not too difficult. Definitely agree!

hustin1 · June 2022

The fight isn't difficult, but it's definitely an outlier in how long it takes to kill the boss. I'd describe it as very tedious.

Suggestion: Decrease Captain Redfox total HP

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