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Heroic's, should drop Silver & 125-500 R.Diamonds, so more help!

strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
edited July 2022 in Player Feedback (PC)
I mean Gold drift's away fast running professions; than what you earn collecting drops alone. That's if you had Artisan's even with -75% commission, unlike the +125% you can get. Yet Adventurer's at best they give -25% if your lucky, yet getting those is very hard and takes a LONG time. Now this I've accepted, a long time ago!

I rarely find earning 1-2 gold playing all day, from drops alone, yet this isn't a criticism either! It was designed that way, just wished (sometimes) we'd see Heroic's drop a bit more Silver! It also be nice if:

♦ Minor Heroic's give 125 Rough Astral Diamonds, and maybe 2-3 Silver.
♦ Major Heroic's give 250 Rough Astral Diamonds, and maybe 3-5 Silver.

Still you're likely to do better from Chests found around the area's, or a skill node; at least on the Silver front. Yet the Rough Astral Diamonds, might encourage more do to do them!

It's often VERY hard to find just 1-4 people to do Major Heroic's with you; I often find after Monday it's almost impossible if you find just 1-2... ...this is very poor design by DEVs, especially when you need Help to do Heroic's! They really should encourage better rewards for Heroic's, at least to encourage more to Help fellow Adventurer's! Still you not going to see people doing 200 BHE, or 400 Minor HE's; that still only earn 50% your .

I think the challenge since the reduction from Level 80 to 20, that also see's Enemy dropping far less Gold, Silver, or Copper that drops from defeated Enemy. At 75-80 you'd even see Giants in Sea of Moving Ice or Cold run sometimes rarely drop a Gold, now you at best see maybe 15-25 Copper and maybe 50-75 if you really lucky. It be nice if some more Heroic's offered some Silver, maybe a few Gem's too to all area's.

o:)
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,150 Arc User
    Stack gear that adds to your Gold Gain.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,404 Arc User
    edited June 2022
    You make your gold through crafting and selling low level crafting item. Profession is the gold maker. New Epic "useless" gear drop in new area is 1.60 gold per piece. Sell potion and common treasure too.



    For example, you can sell Copper ring to get 34.18 silver. The material cost should be less than 2 silvers.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2022
    As said I understand all that, still seeing Copper only drop from Heroic's or Insurgencies is quite sad! :(

    They really still should boost drops of Copper by 2.5x and sometimes actually drop Silver. And during Heroic's it should be 5x for most enemy, 10x for a Boss. I don't even think they have a 2x Gold Event which would INSPIRE many to return!

    It's still be only a fraction of the Gold you earn from Gear drops, or that which you'll burn from crafting anything 20 level for sure!

    The fact that most guild's have far fewer regular players now is kind of sad, from pre M16 days shows most don't want to adventure!

    Even many Old Guild Leader's of Rank 20 Guilds have lost interest, the last year or so! Calling a ♠ a ♠.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,404 Arc User
    edited June 2022
    strathkin said:

    As said I understand all that, still seeing Copper only drop from Heroic's or Insurgencies is quite sad! :(

    They really still should boost drops of Copper by 2.5x and sometimes actually drop Silver. And during Heroic's it should be 5x for most enemy, 10x for a Boss. I don't even think they have a 2x Gold Event which would INSPIRE many to return!

    It's still be only a fraction of the Gold you earn from Gear drops, or that which you'll burn from crafting anything 20 level for sure!

    The fact that most guild's have far fewer regular players now is kind of sad, from pre M16 days shows most don't want to adventure!

    Even many Old Guild Leader's of Rank 20 Guilds have lost interest, the last year or so! Calling a ♠ a ♠.

    I don't know but gold is not an issue for me at all. I get enough gold every day without actually need to use profession to generate gold. And I do profession for my various toons 24x7.

    It is kind of good that one can sell gold for AD to those who has problem to get enough gold, another form of AD "income". i.e. if you can't farm gold or don't have enough time to farm gold, buy it from AH (like other stuff). It means gold actually worth something instead of worthless in the past.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2022
    I realize what I was asking wouldn't make a big difference... Still I would like to see Silver drop a little bit more from Heroic's or Insurgencies! They could also award 125 Rough Astral Diamonds from Minor Heroic's, and possibly 250 for Major Heroic's. You'd still need to do a insane amount to earn 100k, most wouldn't as that be 400 Major Heroic's; yet it would make a difference to those who needed a small boost.
    plasticbat said:

    I don't know but gold is not an issue for me at all. I get enough gold every day without actually need to use profession to generate gold. And I do profession for my various toons 24x7.

    It is kind of good that one can sell gold for AD to those who has problem to get enough gold, another form of AD "income". i.e. if you can't farm gold or don't have enough time to farm gold, buy it from AH (like other stuff). It means gold actually worth something instead of worthless in the past.

    I'd love to know what your doing... I'm mostly focused on doing Campaigns, Heroic's, and various Weekly quests in several area's.
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  • arazith07arazith07 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,719 Arc User
    The thing is, gold is not the main currency like it is in other games or even in DnD proper. Gold is mainly just used for professions. Sure there is some gold use in refining, dyeing armors, and the occasional potion buying, but not nearly as much is needed. Being able to sell profession items for more gold than it takes to create is the way to balance that out. Players get plenty of gold from monsters for refining and potions, and even some casual profession ventures. If you are into professions, then you already have access to making that extra gold that is needed.
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2022
    I realize that, I just wanted to adventure to lighten the load, today you won't even receive 1% of the demand of professions at level 20, cause everything just drops Copper. Still I revised the request to say drop a little Silver, and maybe add 125 Rough Astral Diamonds for Minor Heroic's, maybe 250 for Major Heroic's.

    I thought boosting Silver from Heroic's or Insurgencies, be good to encourage more to do Heroic's in most area's. And most drops of Silver are almost non existent today! Yet this wasn't about Gold, just encourage more to help with Heroic's when calls go out in Zone!

    Especially since M16, you can easily spend over 100 or more gold a especially with +125% Commission; if you empty coffer 2-5 times each day. It depends on your artisans for sure, most mine are -75% commission, except adventurers that at best -25% commission.

    Just something needs to be boosted to encourage more to do Heroic's in most area's... ...why I think Rough Astral Diamonds might help!
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  • arazith07arazith07 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,719 Arc User
    Why are you crafting with 125% commission to begin with? Most people as a rule just decline those workers. I have never spent more than 30 gold a day, much less the 125-200g that you claim.

    Endless crafting of items to sell doesn't take up much of your active time, it's all passive, work that is being done while you are adventuring or doing something else or not logged in.

    Also, if you are farming heroics for gold, at least farm ones that give rewards that you can sell for gold, like the ones in DBV.

    Doing all the things in a way that increases the cost to yourself or grinding things that give something that your aren't looking for isn't a reason increase rewards.
  • aurumreclusa#1147 aurumreclusa
    aurumreclusa#1147
         Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    I think this is more along the lets attract players to Heroics in Legacy Campaigns and other content to get coin lines and possibly help other players who need a BHE in that area, Like Avernus or Sharandar which are not even legacy yet but both are hard to find enough to complete a major heroic encounter in, I also hate the Dungeons where you kill a Dragon or something and there are piles of what is supposed to be gold and jewels yet you don't get much of the former in any dungeon and very few of the later in even the end chests.
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2022
    arazith07 said:

    Why are you crafting with 125% commission to begin with? Most people as a rule just decline those workers. I have never spent more than 30 gold a day, much less the 125-200g that you claim.

    Endless crafting of items to sell doesn't take up much of your active time, it's all passive, work that is being done while you are adventuring or doing something else or not logged in.

    Also, if you are farming heroics for gold, at least farm ones that give rewards that you can sell for gold, like the ones in DBV.

    I'm not, I said above (twice) I mostly craft with -75% commission, a few exceptions have -50% in some Professions as they don't offer anything better. The exception is Adventurer's only because the best they offer is -25%. I also don't make things I don't need, yet most of what you need is Materials, and then often most items require 2-4 things, then 2 items need to be made or combined from something else as well. I have ZERO complaints about any of that, just saying it's very easy to easily spent 25-50 gold a day; or far more with expensive Artisans like for Mastercraft, especially if you empty coffer 2-4x.

    TIP: To save some Gold only empty coffer once a day!

    As for DBV (Dragonbone Vale) I presume, I'm not able to go there yet. My highest toon is only approaching 44k just barely, then the next is 43.5k, and another is closer to 42.5k. Still the point is valid most Heroic's today don't give any Silver.
    aurumreclusa#1147 said:

    I think this is more along the lets attract players to Heroics in Legacy Campaigns and other content to get coin lines and possibly help other players who need a BHE in that area, Like Avernus or Sharandar which are not even legacy yet but both are hard to find enough to complete a major heroic encounter in, I also hate the Dungeons where you kill a Dragon or something and there are piles of what is supposed to be gold and jewels yet you don't get much of the former in any dungeon and very few of the later in even the end chests.

    Yes, I'd agree with this statement. That's what I wanted to focus this discussion on, crafting is expensive I can accept that. Just wish we'd earn a little more Silver & Gold thru our Adventure's, it's really been cut drastically back later from drops, yet I'm starting to perhaps see why! (see below)
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  • mintmarkmintmark Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 471 Arc User
    I made a loadout for collecting gold, I use it mostly when turning in quests.

    Some gear (Picaroon's tricorn, prosperity insignia), guild treasure hunter boon, a leprechaun and another companion bonus.... gets me to >150%, where some stronghold quests give me more than 1 gold each.
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2022
    Like I say, I think it's more around just seeing Silver drop a bit more Frequently; from enemy, I'm mean Avernus is so bad as Vallenhas. Yet I guess the reason for the pull back, is most missions give 20-21-24 Silver depending on your Gold Gain. Still the amount of Copper that Enemies and Boss given during Heroic's isn't that great. Unless you perhaps kill a Mini Boss in an area like Avernus.

    Right now all I ever see Enemy drop, is just copper; though they do sometimes drop gear.
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  • mintmarkmintmark Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 471 Arc User
    Well, when you increase your gold bonus % then all the monsters do drop silver. The choice is there!
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2022
    mintmark said:

    Well, when you increase your gold bonus % then all the monsters do drop silver. The choice is there!

    Yea I've been rethinking getting some Gold Insignia bonus for sure!

    I guess they addressed this just a different way, like keep doing missions in Vallenhas, Avernus, etc as each pays 20 silver at least! Many area's will offer missions. o:)

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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,404 Arc User
    strathkin said:

    mintmark said:

    Well, when you increase your gold bonus % then all the monsters do drop silver. The choice is there!

    Yea I've been rethinking getting some Gold Insignia bonus for sure!

    I guess they addressed this just a different way, like keep doing missions in Vallenhas, Avernus, etc as each pays 20 silver at least! Many area's will offer missions. o:)

    Or, kill mini-boss in newer area (if one can) which drop gears that could be sold for 1.6 gold. I was farming for other material and keep killing mini boss, opening chest, skill nodes. In 2 hours, I got about 60 golds.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2022
    Yea I remember Storm Kings used to sometimes drop decent Silver & several, plus even enemy that used to even drop 1 Gold, plus sometimes a few Very Rare Gear that could be sold as well. Now that's been scaled back so you only see 1 Silver and a few Copper; which I'm fine with yet...

    Still it just be nice to see, a bit doing Heroic's, like see 1-4 Silver & 5-50 Copper (sometimes) from Enemies. Be nice to also see the boss maybe drop 2.5x that. Today several Heroic bosses only drop 1 - 75 Copper at best. Today doing Ape cause of the 2x Event, me and a friend saw him each drop 1 Copper twice doing it.

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    So I just think it would still encourage more to doing Heroic's in many area's, don't think it needs to be much either... As most of what they give is from Missions mostly. I think it's a bit sad, seeing just so many enemies only dropping copper, your extrmely lucky when they drop a piece of uncommon or rare gear. And today even the amount of Very Rare that is sellable is quite limited. Most can only be refined. Still no complains, just wish they'd lighten up on seeing a bit more Silver especially from Heroics!
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    I'll be excited to get to Dragonbone Vale, mostly cause I'm not upgrading any Artifact anymore, if they at least purple. There's NO POINT especially when the new ones go to 1,200 not 600.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    I just think boosting the Silver a bit on Heroic's help them get more people doing them, if more Enemies sometimes dropped 1-3 Silver perhaps some Copper as well. It's still a fraction of the Gold you get from Purple gear, so be quite minor yet still be helpful.

    I know Chest sometimes can award 1-7 Silver, perhaps even more very rarely; still I think this encourage more to do Heroic's.
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2022
    Still kind of sad, most don't care to do Heroic's; especially if they've done their weekly allotment. You can wait 30 minutes often longer, just to find people to JOIN you in Sharandar; unless you do it right on Monday/Tuesday. Even then it can sometimes be hard... ...many also notice they made Sharandar ones harder, yet still almost all Heroic's really offer very little.

    I don't think a little silver be that great incentive, but at least it's something!

    Finding people to join you is like pulling teeth, which it shouldn't be:
    ♦ Dragonbone Vale
    ♦ Sharandar
    ♦ Avernus
    ♦ Storm Kings Thunder
    ♦ Well of Dragons

    Offer
    ♥ Minor Heroic's giving 2 Silver, and 125 Rough Astral Diamonds.
    ♥ Major Heroic's giving 2-3 Silver, and 250 Rough Astral Diamonds.
    ╘ You won't see people running to do 800 Minor's or 400 Majors to make 100k.

    Yet it might be enough, to encourage more to help far more often, simply as a slight boost. <3
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