Toxic Players Selling Crown of Keldegonn runs

punchingdragons · March 2022

Can Neverwinter consider updating the Terms of Service to make it a TOS violation for people to charging for Crown of Keldegonn runs, and any other dungeon for that matter. There is a specific group in Port trying to charge people for successful runs. This behavior is very toxic, since these people are collecting a fee for admission to their groups. Games are supposed to be about having fun, and not having trolls under the bridge collecting all your money. This is akin to the bully in the playground stealing lunch money.

darthpotater · March 2022

I agree that is sad, but well they arent stealing anything, just dont pay and try do do with your friends / guild

wilbur626 · March 2022

How are they stealing anything by taking payment for a service provided ?

If anything this is a sign of a working player/player trade system in the game, and that is good news not "toxic".

mongol69 · March 2022

So, I have never been onboard with charging people to help them. But, did you know that can you can build a queue group by inviting people in and run it as well?

froger · March 2022

I see nothing wrong with people doing this. While I don't like this behavior the people doing it and paying for it obviously do. Who is anyone to poo on how they want to play? They aren't doing any harm. If you want to run CoK, then make a group and run it. If you and your group can't complete it, then figure out why and adjust.

kalina311 · March 2022

Same thing happened with Avernus hunt trophy's and lures system that you could only trade and not post on the auction house .. and it actually encouraged player "cooperation"

was it against the TOS to do exactly what the dev intended for you to do "charge" / trade players for services or resources (hunts lures and trophies ) ..?? to so speed up progress by trading resources and "charging players " ..and or alternatively grind it out yourself / with guildy and friends and do it for free

If one does not have time or friends and is ad Rich they will pay /trade to speed up getting key items rings weapons equipment etc . plain and simple./
nothing new here

and what full timer staff members would they hire to actually investigate and enforce and referee this pseudo TOS butt hurt proposal of yours OMG LOL

there are no mods in the forums no mods in the game and barely functioning help desk / ticket system so good luck with your proposal ..

this is defiantly NOT akin to the bully in the playground stealing lunch money what a terrible example you gave lol.
no one is forcing / extorting any player to hand over any money to participate in any "carry speed runs" against their will and no one is going hungry either ...

0/10 idea 0/10 enforceability .. 10/10 for players vindictive sense of entitlement to "punish others" ..because reason "no fair ,dungeons runners ,mafia racket ,extortion pyramid scheme"... "

punchingdragons · March 2022

End of the day, it creates a bad environment for the game. The concept isn't comparable to Avernus where everyone can farm. People that pay for a T3 do so because they don't want to do the work, and this is completely different than charging a fee to carry someone in end game content.

jules · March 2022

punchingdragons said:
End of the day, it creates a bad environment for the game. The concept isn't comparable to Avernus where everyone can farm. People that pay for a T3 do so because they don't want to do the work, and this is completely different than charging a fee to carry someone in end game content.

Yeah, it wasnt any better in queueable content before was it - tomm... fbi for some time...
"Oh yes we shouldn't allow people from xy on tomm runs, they will ruin the economy" "except for my friend tommy who got me a swarm"
"It's actually better for everybody if we discourage others.. make more profit ourselves"
"You have to provide xy for everybody if you want to come"
idk man this is just a mmo thing. that was a thing in fbi ... in the old days right.
You take irl stuff and add the anonymus internet part and boom, you have a bunch of 4 year old boys that pull your pigtails because they think they have the biggest balls and because they can
There will always be people creating an artificial barrier to keep others down low to gain some sort of high ground (and better yet, the "noobs" pay to finish content) that is, of couse, 1000% imaginary and probably a daddy issue irl

Letting people pay to get their first few runs done so they can start running it with the people they really want to run it with is not really a problem imo, it just sucks for people that have no money or for people with morale issues.
Don't have high morale in a game, it just sucks HAMSTER

This is like paying for boosted runs in other games. Everybody knows what a carry is. Everybody knows how to spot a carry-only-Stephen. It's important to also spot Tim who told Stephen that he sucks so bad he will only finish it if Tim carries him for a very smol fee... and keep Tim on your eternal-enemy-list to annoy the HAMSTER HAMSTER out of him whenever you spot him anywhere.

Idk why are people are so against facing the players they dont like ingame and just tell them.
Not everything is a violation of ToS or should be treated as one just because your feelings got hurt. Just annoy the players back. An eye of an eye or something like that, just don't let it blind u

nic1985 · March 2022

I am curious from the OP what they deemed "Toxic" about players trading skills/time to take someone on a COK run and charging them for it? If there is a market for it, I don't see the problem. It may not be your cup of tea (or mine) but its their business.

I also recently say in /LFG in PE, someone (a dps) trying to form HC VOS group and will pay the party Coal Motes if 3rd reagent drop for them plus a complete run. Seem like the player is a genius, in a crowded /LFG, every dps looking for HC VOS run, the player offer is very attractive.

kalina311 · March 2022

punchingdragons said:
End of the day, it creates a bad environment for the game. The concept isn't comparable to Avernus where everyone can farm. People that pay for a T3 do so because they don't want to do the work, and this is completely different than charging a fee to carry someone in end game content.

did you read what you wrote lol you helped disprove your own point now your distinction moving target argument is about if "everyone" can farm something or not and that being the differentiating factor ..

lol lol either way its someone not wanting to do the work (ad rich and time poor and some one wiling to exchange thier time for resources to help facilitate someone getting what ever items they need ..now you are just trying to distinguish how it is gated

"everyone" can farm a dungeon and everyone can farm the Avernus zone instance either way it is about the loot ..,

by the way T3 Avernus hunts WAS end game content and people were "carried" but you are ok with that lol cause you tried to color it and disguise/ phrase differently as an entirely different animal when in fact it is the same animal

your logic is selectively broken and flawed sir

jbt91 · March 2022

I admit I’m a bit puzzled by the OP’s premise. While charging a fee for a carry run can be looked at as bad from a “games are meant to be played for fun”, as long as it’s in game items that makes up the fee it shouldn’t against TOS. The group has decided to try and recoup some of the expense the group incurred learning The Crown trial to the point of being able to carry a player, which isn’t easy, while providing people a chance to get the weapons/companion gear from the trial. If people have issues with the fee, they can just run with other training/completion groups and get what they want from the trial that way. The group charging the fee is not the only group running, so the troll under the bridge connection doesn’t really apply in this situation.

plasticbat · March 2022

They charge a fee. It does not mean you or anyone are forced to pay for it.
Just because they ask, it does not mean anyone should/would pay.

How does it make the game look bad? I don't see how.
How do they bully others? I don't see how.
How do they steal others lunch money? I don't see how.
How is that toxic? Did they curse others? Did they be little others?

You and others do not need to pay anything. You and others can do those stuff without them. If you can't, spend your effort to do so. Does their existence stop you spending your effort?

auron · March 2022

Only thing I can see from this is if anything it makes the people selling it look like jerks. Can always block them if it bothers you.

kalina311 · March 2022

since no one asked ..just out of curiosity how much were they actually charging per run ..I would like to know how "greedy" they were purported to be lol

trace · March 2022

Sounds to me like, "I can run CoK with my group, we learned and played hard to figure it out. Now we have the cool gear, and the pride that goes with that. I don't want some nobody running around with the same gear/pride, because it cheapens mine".

If people would only worry about their own business, or not sit up on their high horse while kicking others in the face on their own way up, (just to remain on top), the world would be a nicer place.

I am reminded of the mount insignia change to mythic. Poeple who had been playing for years and years, who had amassed many thousands of powders and could simply upgrade all 15 at once, voiced how great this was. They actually liked the fact that 98% of people would never be able to catch them, and reveled in it. What a sad world we live in.

thewretched1982 · March 2022

What is the difference between putting in work and farming a Ribcage to sell or putting in work to sell other segments of your time? If I don't want to farm lures I pay someone for their time. If I didn't want to spend time making a group then why shouldn't I be able to buy someone else's time and services like I do for every auction house purchase

Toxic Players Selling Crown of Keldegonn runs

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