45k Character token

b3yz4de · October 2021

Hello, i would love to see 45k character boost in zen store but to prevent new players from getting endgame boost it could only be purchased on character that is already at 50k item level
This pack would have items specific for role that player wants to buy ( tank pets/mounts/insignias etc)

Why? because i have 50k wizard and im having problems with finding a group, and it takes too much time to lvl up new character (tank/healer), so ill be able to play any dungeon when i want instead of asking around for 1 hour to find a party - yes im so desperate that im willing to pay 100-150$ worth of zen to get new fully geared tank ready for every content

everyone please write you thoughts down below and dont hate me for that

rockster · October 2021

I think it sounds reasonable.

aslan3775 · October 2021

It's an interesting idea. We need more healers and tanks. The significant drawback to having an instant tank or instant healer is that you wouldn't understand the mechanisms to be effective in the role--not that you couldn't learn them.

I think you might find that creating the character, using the two days to level up through the quests and then placing account stuff on the toon might get you to 40K far cheaper than $100-150 zen. Your wizard can grind a few zuma bags that will provide account companions and gear that will get the tank/healer to a fairly decent level. Insignias and collars will provide the final boosts (zen or AD), and companion gear is available through Undermountain or farming.

Just a thought.

sagakaiyume · October 2021

Sounds like a good idea, for those who don't want to build an alt. Not sure what the average person has at 50k when they make a new alt, with their account wide items, but people said 32k for a clean slate, so guessing just under 40k.

rockster · October 2021

aslan3775 said:

Your wizard can grind a few zuma bags that will provide account companions and gear that will get the tank/healer to a fairly decent level. Insignias and collars will provide the final boosts (zen or AD), and companion gear is available through Undermountain or farming.

Just a thought.

With respect, I think you missed the point.

armadeonx · October 2021

I don't have an issue with it in principle but it would raise some questions as to the type of gear you would expect to be able to get with this - specifically I'm thinking about artifact weapons, artifact set, weapon and armour enchantments.

Also, mounts & companions (and companion gear & mount insignias), as a lot of your TIL comes from these. You'd need to be given 10 at epic with an option to raise appx 4 of each to mythic (or tokens to get there) - but the choice of them; I'm not sure how they'd do that and how it'd play out in terms of negative feedback from other players if you're given carte blanche on the options.

The subject of boons should also be mentioned as you'd need the stats to be effective at that IL - that could imply auto-completion of campaigns, bypassing the campaign buyouts from the Zen store (or adding them to the cost?)

I could see it costing a lot more than you imagine when you look at the total expected spend if done the current way.

Doing a rough tally of most of this stuff on the AH I'd expect an AD cost of at least 30 million AD, possibly as much as 50 million if you get all of the premium choices. That would translate as 40k - 67k Zen or appx $240 - $400 based on buying Zen at $6 per 1k.

You could argue that spending such a large sum warrants an equally large discount - but the counter argument would be that you'd get to this TIL whilst skipping all of the work normally associated with it.

As I said, I'm not necessarily against the idea, I'm playing devil's advocate to point out the potential problems & raise questions so far unaddressed.

auron · October 2021

or lower 50k to 45 kil, if you already have 1 character at 45kil then you should be ok with a second one at the same level. I think though this was created to encourage new players to spend money (at least that's how it's advertised on the current 30kil pack) I doubt cryptic will do anything that would prevent them from making a sale.

tommy069 · October 2021

I'm sure that someone more adept than I could do the numbers, but I have a feeling that a hard 45K IL would require a LOT more than 10-15K Zen in terms of Companion and Mount Upgrades alone, not to mention the amount of actual companions and mounts needed.
As well as the value of Wards/RP that would otherwise be needed to refine the (one would assume) High End gear to it's full potential. Those factors would need to be considered in the price.

I can't see a route to 45K that ignores those Mythic level bolsters and Pre-refined Gear.

Ignoring Guild Boons, which you would have to do to make this Purchase viable as a 45K Bundle for EVERYONE who wants to buy it, I simply don't see how you get 45K of genuinely useful IL for a character at anywhere near that price. (If you are asking for say, Weapon and Armour Enchants at higher Ranks than normally drop, think on how many Coal Wards alone that normally takes in actual play to bump them up...)

Unless you choose to encounter the problem that always arises when people create Specialist Role "Alt" characters. That of generic IL being used to gain access to content when the IL doesn't particularly improve the character in it's role, beyond raising Hit Points and base Damage.
"There you go... 45K.... yeah your stats are all over the place, and set bonuses aren't great... but you can go be a Tank in Demogorgon or VoS now!"

If I had the time or inclination I'd be tempted to run a test on Rainer's Character Builder, to see what would be needed to make a USEFUL Tank or Healer at 45K without Guild Boons.
Not BiS... just "useful" as opposed to a Sack of Generic Booster Item Level used as a key to enter end game content.

I've got a Paladin Tank Alt, sits about 44.8K without Guild Boons.
If I dismiss my companion, with its 100% Bolster and 3 x 1100 IL (SUITABLE!) Companion Gear loaded with R10/11 Runestones, it drops to just about the 38K mark... and taking another 3.75K away for 5 x 750 IL (AGAIN... SUITABLE Companions for a Tank!) Mythic Companion Bonuses, drops the characters base IL to about 34.5K without companion based IL.

Mounts are 10 x Mythic for 100% Bolster, and insignia are 10 x Legendary, 5 x Epic. With 1 Legendary Collar, and 1 Rare.

I've got R12 Weapon and Armour Enchants, with normal Enchants being between 9 and 12 (plus a Heart of Fire)
Most gear is 1225 Vallenhas stuff, with the new Tank friendly, free, mythic Neverwinter Jewel artifact set. Running 2 x 1K Artifacts from the new Battle Pass, along with a couple of the 450s.
Most gear, that can take them, have +1 Major(/Greater? Whichever it is that usually gives +880 stats...) Armour Kits.

This is a third tier alt, who I run just for occasional fast access RQs and if someone I know needs a Tank. With my paltry Guild Boons it weighs in for a fight at just over 45K IL.

It's also just about done on Campaign Boons with only some Sharandar stuff left to do. I would NOT want to run it through genuinely hard core End Game content because it's not a Focused Main Character with what you might call a "Proper End Game Build" where every single point of IL is squeezed to improve its performance as a Tank. And as its not my main, my Tanking ability on that tier of content is not as good as someone who does it full time.

And all that grants just UNDER the 45K (ignoring GBs) Base IL you want to spend 10 - 15K Zen on...

It's a really nice idea, and a potential solution to the lack of Tanks in (particularly) Random Queues, but I think that valuation on what it might cost needs looking at again.

sagakaiyume · October 2021

Let's see what is possible for them to do:

12x pieces of gear 1500 il, with generic or not useful bonuses = 18k
3x comp gear pieces you can't choose 1300 il = 3900
5x epic collars = 3k
15x leg insigs that when dropped give 1 insig powder = 3k IL
1x arti 1k IL
3x Arti 450 IL = 1350
24x rank 13 enchant 160 il ea, char bound = 3,840 IL
Total here =33k
9x Epic comps (just pick ones from events like x-mas)
9x Epic mount
1x leg mount (can pick something like the mount from Hell pit, not acc wide)
1x leg comp (Any companion in that freebee pack, not acc wide)

I've no idea what mounts and comps give individually for IL, along with 3k IL from Guild boons, I think its possible for them to figure out a way to get people an alt that's reasonably geared, without giving them the best, but still works. Most at 50k+ IL have some account wide mounts and comp that can help refine the stats a bit more and can replace stuff over time.

Its fine for the stuff to be cheaper in bulk, because everything would be bound char and even insigs won't be able to be converted for powder.

aslan3775 · October 2021

rockster#6227 said:

aslan3775 said:

Your wizard can grind a few zuma bags that will provide account companions and gear that will get the tank/healer to a fairly decent level. Insignias and collars will provide the final boosts (zen or AD), and companion gear is available through Undermountain or farming.

Just a thought.
With respect, I think you missed the point.

I think you are right.

I got stuck on suggesting an alternative to purchasing the 45K toon rather than what it would take to create an "insta-alt".

I do think it is an interesting idea, but the cost may be very high (as others have pointed out).

b3yz4de · October 2021

Thanks for ur feedback, my original idea was that only players that currently are 50k+ can buy this premade alt which is why i was expecting a bit lower price, to prevent new players getting right into endgame content because getting to 50k you most likely already spend some money, and feeling like you did all this and cant find party to play the game is very depressing for me atleast (yeah im 50k wizard with not hdps)
ofcourse all items from this boost would be bound to character, to prevent abusement

besides that i have another solution in mind... CLASS REROLL token? I would use that too, lets say you can reroll ur class once every 60 days, class gear that you have will change to another class gear with the same name etc..
maybe this sounds more reasonable for you guys?

all i want is to enjoy playing the game, but when it takes hours to find party there is no point of playing anyway
tank instant invite
healer instant invite
dps.....

thanks everyone for comments!!!

pherrow · October 2021

An actual productive showing of discourse here. Nice.

zenithe · November 2021

Or why not 50k? People might get bored until they are able to enter RC. Create a problem and sell the solution.

45k Character token

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