The punishment for being new to Neverwinter is extreme

ravenmadd · July 2020

I'll start off with the basics, I have played a lot of other MMO's and I don't want a game that in 2 months you can be on the same level as long time or day 1 players. Honestly the lack of value most other games give to vet players is astonishing.
That being said. I have been playing for over 8 Months now. have put a lot of time, effort, and more money then I have ever spent on any other MMO. ( again not a fan of pay to win)
What I don't see the point of, is with the launch of MOD 19 and the new Trial Zariel's Challenge. I personally do not stand a chance at even attempting due to the stat restrictions. Personally have 3x 15 bonding's, multiple rank 15 enchants, vorpal 14 armor 14 and over 26k IL with 71+ boons. made sure to farm and work to get all my offensive stats to cap , 165k power, 90k AP, crit, acc, 140k combat, and best I can do is 330k HPs with 70k Defense. That would allow me to at best scratch ZC. Now I get I should not be topping dps charts. How ever. what exactly is arc expecting players in my category to do in game?

reg1981 · July 2020

Keep building, it's an end game trial. I have many toons that can do Tower of the Mad mage, none that can do Zariel yet. I've been around about 6 years, have resources to build, but have not attempted the puzzle of 90k stat caps with 500k HP and 200K+ power buffed. And it is a puzzle!!

If you've completed all other campaigns and content, got your lion heart weapons, then currently your goal is to build for Zariel. Top up the remaining enchants and work out the puzzle for your class!

ravenmadd · July 2020

Wasn't asking what to do. as in I don't know what to do when I log in. was saying what is the point of new content that only 1% of the player base can even attempt?

arazith07 · July 2020

ravenmadd said:
Wasn't asking what to do. as in I don't know what to do when I log in. was saying what is the point of new content that only 1% of the player base can even attempt?

1% is a vast understatement. Plenty of players have the required item level, but are just too lazy or feel pressured by the community to not even try. Yes, it's recommended to form pre-made static groups, but that is true of any MMO.

All new group content, in most games, are usually only available to end gamers, because it's usually the hardest content available. Eventually though, it won't be new content, and thus becomes more widely available and in this game can be completed by random pickup groups. Arguing that new content is only for endgamers is short sighted imo.

rikitaki · July 2020

I do not see where in your case is exactly the "punishment for the new players". Capped offensive stats, defence, and 500k HP to complement that is dismissed as too much of a hassle by many day 1 or vet players as well.
And with what you named in the summary you are really far above any new player.

btw: There is no need to partake in every experiment devs throw at you. And this trial... is there as an eventuality, once you get bored by flawlessly managing all the other content.

ravenmadd · July 2020

so basically be content doing old content over and over and over for a small chance at a reward that is not worth anything... got it.

arazith07 · July 2020

ravenmadd said:
so basically be content doing old content over and over and over for a small chance at a reward that is not worth anything... got it.

You do the older content for AD to improve your gear and companions so you can hit stat caps for the next bit of content, which is pretty constant rate of gain. If you want more income, play the market. Just like any other MMO, you chase gear and stats and progress through older content to get to the newer stuff.

As far as M19 content goes, they did add other weapon sets that you can grind to be able to do ToMM easier, which will help in getting you closer to Zariel's Challenge. Not to mention the armor upgrades or anything from the episodic content that has yet to be released.

ravenmadd · July 2020

sigh... 100k a day is a joke... as for playing the market... unless you already have a few million you have no chance any making any AD. I already have most of the gear. 2 rings that are out dated are not going to push me over 20k d and 200k HPs

plasticbat · July 2020

ravenmadd said:
sigh... 100k a day is a joke... as for playing the market... unless you already have a few million you have no chance any making any AD. I already have most of the gear. 2 rings that are out dated are not going to push me over 20k d and 200k HPs

100K per day. 3 million in a month. After 2 months, you have a few millions.

karvare · July 2020

After the introduction of LoMM into the random queues, I would expect ToMM will eventually be added to the random queues. If so, changes will probably be made. May be when Mod 21 introduces the next craze ToMM will be added to the randoms. I expect Mod 20 will see TIC in the random queues, with a new dungeon as end game. Could be wrong, just my current expectations.

hotfrostworm · July 2020

That is ironic. I am only here once in a few months to do OS testing. I am not affiliated with Cryptic nor do I pay cash money to them. Yet over a very small amount of time, I have made several characters and taken them up to 70 and 80. While I am no where near "best in slot" as they call it, I have to test end game content. I have always been of the opinion it is far too easy to master the game and ramp your level up quickly.

I have spoken to others about this MMO, being the single mouse button attack. A real no brainer, hold down left click and win every battle. Leveling up, just stand by a campfire 15 mins pray to the gods for XP, 30 mins repeat, 45 repeat, 60 repeat, 90 and your done. Not that I sit here all day and watch him just come back 6 times during the day. I will say this much about Cryptic Studios, they are honest about their games being Free to Play. I have never encountered a pay wall anywhere. What are you buying exactly?

I just checked my stats, my oldest character is just over 75 hours old but online for several years. My youngest is 35 hours old and level 72. I do delete my characters from time to time for new testing like back in module 16. I can't really put in the kind of hours you are talking about. I would guess I have played maybe 2 hours in the last week? There is a lot to do in this game that could occupy ones time more than I would ever care to think about.

rikitaki · July 2020

ravenmadd said:
so basically be content doing old content over and over and over for a small chance at a reward that is not worth anything... got it.

Sorry to break your bubble, but devs voiced their intention having the only worthwhile reward in Zariels trial the "feeling of accomplishment".

You can question the reward system, but you ARE already end game player. Not a new one. After only 8 months. What you describe has absolutely nothing to do with being a new player to the game. You described the coming of a new mod to the game. Old-timers are at the exactly same spot. Suddenly seek a legendary mount with 50k HP and try a lot of alternative set-ups... or not having 500k HP and capped def as a dps.

You see, there are players directly queuing for CN. Still. A long time after the drop there could be sold for more than 10k AD. Getting rich in in-game currency can surely be a goal for you, but I am adamant at the thought that there should be other aspects worth your time here.

jules · July 2020

A completely wild idea is to enjoy playing a game without the immediate satisfaction of being a top dog?
Some players running Zariel have been here for thousands of hours, they might feel a bit off if you could easily do it after a few months.

Also - I don't get what you mean with not being able to play the market or finding anything else to do. If you want to, there is plenty. If you don't want to, there is nothing.

oldtimer · July 2020

The recent change to healing is the only aspect of Neverwinter that doesn't completely and utterly cater to new players anymore, especially in the last almost year and a half of making everything baby proof so i have no idea what you are even referring to when you say * punishment for being new *.

New / casual players have no business being anywhere close to the newest released end game group content ( in this case Zariel's Challenge ) so what state that content is in / what requirements you must meet to attempt it is not relevant to them.

lordnagy · July 2020

> @hotfrostworm said:
> That is ironic. I am only here once in a few months to do OS testing. I am not affiliated with Cryptic nor do I pay cash money to them. Yet over a very small amount of time, I have made several characters and taken them up to 70 and 80. While I am no where near "best in slot" as they call it, I have to test end game content. I have always been of the opinion it is far too easy to master the game and ramp your level up quickly.
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> I have spoken to others about this MMO, being the single mouse button attack. A real no brainer, hold down left click and win every battle. Leveling up, just stand by a campfire 15 mins pray to the gods for XP, 30 mins repeat, 45 repeat, 60 repeat, 90 and your done. Not that I sit here all day and watch him just come back 6 times during the day. I will say this much about Cryptic Studios, they are honest about their games being Free to Play. I have never encountered a pay wall anywhere. What are you buying exactly?
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> I just checked my stats, my oldest character is just over 75 hours old but online for several years. My youngest is 35 hours old and level 72. I do delete my characters from time to time for new testing like back in module 16. I can't really put in the kind of hours you are talking about. I would guess I have played maybe 2 hours in the last week? There is a lot to do in this game that could occupy ones time more than I would ever care to think about.

Right, right...so tell me... how did you upgrade ur gear? Tell people how u scrimped and saved to buy all the wards necessary to upgrade ALL your equipment to max level. You didn’t do that in 75 hours, I can tell you that...

plasticbat · July 2020

lordnagy#1603 said:
> @hotfrostworm said:

> That is ironic. I am only here once in a few months to do OS testing. I am not affiliated with Cryptic nor do I pay cash money to them. Yet over a very small amount of time, I have made several characters and taken them up to 70 and 80. While I am no where near "best in slot" as they call it, I have to test end game content. I have always been of the opinion it is far too easy to master the game and ramp your level up quickly.

>

> I have spoken to others about this MMO, being the single mouse button attack. A real no brainer, hold down left click and win every battle. Leveling up, just stand by a campfire 15 mins pray to the gods for XP, 30 mins repeat, 45 repeat, 60 repeat, 90 and your done. Not that I sit here all day and watch him just come back 6 times during the day. I will say this much about Cryptic Studios, they are honest about their games being Free to Play. I have never encountered a pay wall anywhere. What are you buying exactly?

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> I just checked my stats, my oldest character is just over 75 hours old but online for several years. My youngest is 35 hours old and level 72. I do delete my characters from time to time for new testing like back in module 16. I can't really put in the kind of hours you are talking about. I would guess I have played maybe 2 hours in the last week? There is a lot to do in this game that could occupy ones time more than I would ever care to think about.

Right, right...so tell me... how did you upgrade ur gear? Tell people how u scrimped and saved to buy all the wards necessary to upgrade ALL your equipment to max level. You didn’t do that in 75 hours, I can tell you that...

You don't have to buy ward. If you can't wait, it is a different story. Ward can be farmed directly within the game. His 75 game hours could be spread through 5 years in real time. I have not bought any wards from either Zen store or AH for years. Last time I actually "bought" C-ward was from T-bar store before they removed C-ward from T-bar store years ago. Yet, I have not used even one of those unbound c-ward since. I have about 30 account bound C-wards in bank at the moment. The issue is if you have the patient.

liadan1984 · July 2020

ravenmadd said:
I'll start off with the basics, I have played a lot of other MMO's and I don't want a game that in 2 months you can be on the same level as long time or day 1 players. Honestly the lack of value most other games give to vet players is astonishing.
That being said. I have been playing for over 8 Months now. have put a lot of time, effort, and more money then I have ever spent on any other MMO. ( again not a fan of pay to win)
What I don't see the point of, is with the launch of MOD 19 and the new Trial Zariel's Challenge. I personally do not stand a chance at even attempting due to the stat restrictions. Personally have 3x 15 bonding's, multiple rank 15 enchants, vorpal 14 armor 14 and over 26k IL with 71+ boons. made sure to farm and work to get all my offensive stats to cap , 165k power, 90k AP, crit, acc, 140k combat, and best I can do is 330k HPs with 70k Defense. That would allow me to at best scratch ZC. Now I get I should not be topping dps charts. How ever. what exactly is arc expecting players in my category to do in game?

that took you only 8 months?

*looks at my 4 years of playing with a sad face*

It's ok, I wont be playing with Zariel anytime soon either... I mean, I wouldn't mind the weapons for my DPS, but... really, that would be the only reason to do it....

The game has lost a lot of the fun recently. I'm spending less and less time playing.

sandukutupu · July 2020

lordnagy#1603 said:

hotfrostworm said:
That is ironic. I am only here once in a few months to do OS testing. I am not affiliated with Cryptic nor do I pay cash money to them. Yet over a very small amount of time, I have made several characters and taken them up to 70 and 80. While I am no where near "best in slot" as they call it, I have to test end game content. I have always been of the opinion it is far too easy to master the game and ramp your level up quickly.

I have spoken to others about this MMO, being the single mouse button attack. A real no brainer, hold down left click and win every battle. Leveling up, just stand by a campfire 15 mins pray to the gods for XP, 30 mins repeat, 45 repeat, 60 repeat, 90 and your done. Not that I sit here all day and watch him just come back 6 times during the day. I will say this much about Cryptic Studios, they are honest about their games being Free to Play. I have never encountered a pay wall anywhere. What are you buying exactly?

I just checked my stats, my oldest character is just over 75 hours old but online for several years. My youngest is 35 hours old and level 72. I do delete my characters from time to time for new testing like back in module 16. I can't really put in the kind of hours you are talking about. I would guess I have played maybe 2 hours in the last week? There is a lot to do in this game that could occupy ones time more than I would ever care to think about.
Right, right...so tell me... how did you upgrade ur gear? Tell people how u scrimped and saved to buy all the wards necessary to upgrade ALL your equipment to max level. You didn’t do that in 75 hours, I can tell you that...

I can answer that question! I am his wife, he "seldom plays" when he has been online he invokes and gains XP from invoking and leveling dungeons. He never upgrades gear to my knowledge, just grabs scraps off the floor. I believe most of his characters are still running old Undermountain gear Neverember gave him with the original rank 8 enchants. Sad to say, yes he can and has done "end game" content, I have seen it, and calls us over-achievers for upgrading our artifacts to mythic and whatnot. The last time I watched him testing the game, I told him to go at least open some Juma bags and get the 1225 armors. He just shrugged and replied, "Why?".

xenocide · July 2020

Look up a few videos on how to farm ad.
There are quite a few resources out there and with a bit of time (even one hour a day) dedicated to farming you should be able to make an extra 150k - 200k a day on top of your daily refine.

Even right now you can craft fireblossom petals and buy watermelon sorbet for an easy 130k a stack.

honeya · July 2020

ravenmadd said:
Wasn't asking what to do. as in I don't know what to do when I log in. was saying what is the point of new content that only 1% of the player base can even attempt?

If you are already as good and well equipped as you claim then you need to join in with training teams. The players who can do it practiced on the preview and learned it. Most of them are willing to teach it because that gives them more players to run with. Ask around for teams or alliances that do training.

The punishment for being new to Neverwinter is extreme

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