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PVP Artifact needs fixing.
alfalolz
Member Posts: 161 Arc User
First of all i would love to thank the devs for fixing reflect boon in almost instant request.
Hovewer, with the new mod16, all artifacts were changed. For instance cleric seal used to give 100% Action Points being mything, it was nuered to be 25%. Im ok with that, that is fair and i see where you going.
BUT
You forgot to nerf that book artifact (Sorry i dont know its name in english) the one that stuns, gives damage and gives 75 AP every second for over 15 seconds.
Which means in 15 seconds someone having that book artifact can get his 100% AP. Im afraid that you forgot to tune this one down along the way.
p.s. also there is some sort of a bug paladin has, THEY CAN LITERALLY SPAM dailies in pvp non stop. Ill try to make a video if i get in that situation today.
Hovewer, with the new mod16, all artifacts were changed. For instance cleric seal used to give 100% Action Points being mything, it was nuered to be 25%. Im ok with that, that is fair and i see where you going.
BUT
You forgot to nerf that book artifact (Sorry i dont know its name in english) the one that stuns, gives damage and gives 75 AP every second for over 15 seconds.
Which means in 15 seconds someone having that book artifact can get his 100% AP. Im afraid that you forgot to tune this one down along the way.
p.s. also there is some sort of a bug paladin has, THEY CAN LITERALLY SPAM dailies in pvp non stop. Ill try to make a video if i get in that situation today.
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Pls Devs consider adjusting the changes.
Last I checked it said 60 AP per second for 15 seconds, which is 900 AP or 90%, that's 9x better than a legendary snail mount, and that's just from the AP gain. (edit: even if the tooltip does say 60 ap per second, you can see in act it gives 75 ap per tick).
Also, although the player is really good, he or she runs a paladin tank, and did more damage than any of the dps toons in the group. Which I think is odd, cuz it's not like it was a pug group.
The damage: 11% + 2% + 1% from different 'stories' or whatever for a total of 14% of overall damage.
AP Gain: 21% of all ap gain was from this artifact. Also, we can see that most of the AP a paladin generates, is from blocking. Maybe this is why they can spam their dailies in pvp so fast, they are always blocking. Not sure if their tab mechanic counts as 'blocking' regarding ap generation.
Edit: Oops, wrong screenshot
Talk about arguing what color the drapes should be when the house is burning down.
Do you think this artifact is the absolute reason why pvp died this mod..? No, I didn't think so. Put incentives into pvp, and don't follow the usual path of nerf this and nerf that for the sole benefit of pvp which makes the entire pve population of the game hate our guts more than they already do.
Instead just ask for a nice bright line. Disable all active artifacts in pvp. Job done, none of the pve'ers angry, devs's lives made easier, move along.
> To be quite honest, given the state of pvp at the moment, this problem effects what..? Maybe 10 people in the game..? Out of the whole population..? Not to mention everything else that needs doing simply to get the general content of game back into some kind of order without people getting oneshot by some random mob in a levelling zone.
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> Talk about arguing what color the drapes should be when the house is burning down.
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> Do you think this artifact is the absolute reason why pvp died this mod..? No, I didn't think so. Put incentives into pvp, and don't follow the usual path of nerf this and nerf that for the sole benefit of pvp which makes the entire pve population of the game hate our guts more than they already do.
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> Instead just ask for a nice bright line. Disable all active artifacts in pvp. Job done, none of the pve'ers angry, devs's lives made easier, move along.
Thank you for your reasoned reply, i dont pvp but i do play one of each class at endgame in pve, and the pally is comfortably in the worst place (not that many classes are in a good place) at the moment in pve content.
My heart sinks when i read posts like this, as the devs actions are rarely well reasoned and (probably due to mimickings love of pvp) they have a history of just nerfing classes to try and balance pvp with no thought to the impact on pve.
The pally blocking in order to gain divinity, which in turn will allow it to use non cooldown powers constantly which gain action points is litererarally all it has in pve, its barely viable as it is. Without that the class may as well be removed from the game entirely.
I get how this could skew a pvp match, but dont call for a nerf to spefic powers on an already terrible class. Join the pve community in pointing out they totally messed up the class design from the ground up by being lazy and basically building a 2nd rate fighter and shoehorning an ill thought out divinity mechanism onto it just so they could call it a paladin.
As an aside, great to see that one if the main reasons given for all of the mod 16 changes was class balance, and theyve apparently once again managed to comeup with something that is overpowered in one arena and next to useless in another. Maybe Pally is the new TR.....
Currently one of the feats ( burning light one ) buggs the shield, and makes it so we are ALWAYS blocking, even when we are not. It means we constantly get AP from in, + ap for blocking is ridiculous big to begin with.
It is also my PvE spec, and i didnt really try to minmax this mod at all. i think if you tried really hard you could use daily every 3-4s as paladin right now.
It really needs to go, both the bug and ap gain, but the problem is that after its gone justicar is gonna be trash, not balance wise but fun wise. or mb both, im just waiting for the hammer right now tbh.
PS its worth mentioning that teneb is 10% of my dmg, i have 1 rank 14 and i dont stack hp on my pally, interesting.
it might be good to have couple of them for everyone now? time will tell, if this game doesnt crumble by then.
Start from 20:00 min on. ... in 5 min fight 1v1 i had total of 3 dailies the Paladin Bugging feat made 15 dailies.
Can you imagine 3 vs 15 dailies ??? thats 5 times more!
Please this requires fixing.
1 you gold onto your cooldowns, so you dont use them as often so you dont generate AP in the fastest way.
2 you hold onto dailies, during that time you dont generate AP, since you are full.
3 you hit paladin repeatedly, meaning he gets divinity at the fastest possible speed meaning he uses div encounter at the best possible rate meaning best possible ap gain from them.
4 you hit his shield often, giving him AP often.
5 he seems to not use his cooldowns with anything in mind, just throws them as fast as he can, meaning he has alot of dailies to throw, but nothing to show of them.
Also Pally on the video preety much hugs the shield, so he would be getting AP gain anyway, bug or not.
what needs to happen is 1 bug fixed, 2 ap gain for shield nerfed ALOT. 3 AP gain from powers increased.
thats for AP problems from pally.
fun fact, bane gives 0,2% AP. yes thats how bad some powers are xd
2. Maybe i hold down the use of my dailies a bit sometimes, but he does that too.
3. Mate, ive done almost 500 kills since mod16 launch and i can tell that other classes are being hit by me the same way however they do not get to shoot 15 dailies at me while i only have 3. There could be a difference of 1 daily between us but NOT x5 times.
4. GFs do not generate as much AP as palas while being hit on their shield too.
5. Well, you are wrong here as well, he can probably kill almost any class non stop, its just me that he cant 2 shot in 20 seconds.
i watched around 2min and not once have i seen him go for 1shot combo.
If he REALLY tried he could go like this
have 100% daily, open up with artifact, 2,5s Stun. -> smite -> daily -> BL ( 3s stun ) -> smite -> atwill -> lion ( knockback ) -> daily.
he can fish for it every 60s, you fail to dodge the arti, you die.
for all of the points i worked under assumtions that he was spaming everything off cooldown, since he wasnt going for any combo, i dont mean that you SHOULD do that. it just means that doing that you get more daily powers off.
I don't know how to really explain it, but if you played a paladin and tested it, it would suddenly make sense.
"UNDERMOUNTAIN OWLBEAR PATCH NOTES: NW.110.20190519A.2" via preview forum
"Envenomed Storyteller's Journal: The AP Gain of this item has been reduced across all ranks."
I do hope they fix the OP AP gain situation.