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Serious question -- what's with all the jumping?

hustin1hustin1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,464 Arc User
edited November 2018 in General Discussion (PC)
While I'm waiting for the cooldown on my Beholder Pinata I figured I'd ask a question. There's a player behavior that I occasionally see that has me scratching my head. Every once in a while, there's someone who jumps around constantly while fighting. This isn't just your normal run-of-the-mill jumping, this is jumping as if all of Toril is a griddle and they're wearing bacon shoes. This is jumping more than Mario did on the triple bouncer elevator screen in Donkey Kong.


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So...why the jumping? Is jumping a thing? Is this an actual mechanic? A habit from some other game? (I assume not from Donkey Kong, though as a retro gaming fan I could appreciate that). An exotic symptom of OCD? A keyboard stress test? Someone lose a bet? I've been playing since early Mod 2 and it's got me stumped. I mean, picture the absurdity of someone wearing an 80-pound suit of full plate jumping up and down -- a PnP DM would slap him with encumbrance and fatigue rules in a microsecond. Someone please enlighten me.

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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,152 Arc User
    PvPers do it to make themselves harder to be targeted. I just assume they carry it over to their PvE fights.
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  • aixis2000aixis2000 Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    ^ not needed in pve but practising skills never is a waste of time
  • vordaynvordayn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,283 Arc User
    Certain powers and artifact animations can be shortened (or allow you to land correctly on the artifact symbol, or land in the midst of monsters) with jumping and/or dodge animations.
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  • someonediessomeonedies Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    This nonetheless also means the tactical powers have to cancel all other powers. If Rogues need to dodge, they can’t wait for Duelist’s Flurry to end. A GF might find themselves in a red zone while casting Into the Fray and needs to raise the shield immediately. So cancelling powers is an absolute intended behavior of the game engine.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,408 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    For GWF, it seems for the first hit, jumping (a smack down) give you more damage than not jumping (a swing up).
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  • jorifice1jorifice1 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    -Some people seem to think it makes them move slightly faster. It might actually do that, if only fractionally, from what I've seen. I just don't have the patience to try the experiment with a stop watch. I DO know that quite a number of large-ish other games have had systems where Jumping did give you a speed boost. I was told this by several people I've known over the years who do this.
    -Others that the default 'run' animation looks silly. They told me this when I asked them about it.
    -A few, it's just a thing they do (see 'Car Hopping' in Secret World Legends). I tend to do this sometimes, myself, just to see how much 'air' my D.C. can get off a set of steps.
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  • tremeliques#2035 tremeliques
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    for me there's 2 main reasons, it gives my hands something to do so that they don't stay still and it also makes the screen have more movement, something that my eyes like more then the stale walking animation.
    if u r a gwf and u jump u ll do the final hit of sure strike that does more dmg that can also be a reason but its not that much important.
    it could also be a habit from other games just like the scoreboard check habit.
  • kalina311kalina311 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,082 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    For me as a Cw jumping allows me to repostion out of red areas without wasting stamina or a dodge needlessly .. and moving a few feet instead of a huge dodge distance that could put me in another red areas or out of a buff circle

    also the faster your movement rate is the more effective this "method" is oh and yes its also a carry over from my pvp days

    also helps to exercise jumping thumb to stay in shape
  • shoziku222shoziku222 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    kalina311 said:

    For me as a Cw jumping allows me to repostion out of red areas without wasting stamina or a dodge needlessly .. and moving a few feet instead of a huge dodge distance that could put me in another red areas or out of a buff circle

    the jump is not necessary. just run in a direction. Jumping doesn't propel you in any direction but up because of game physics. Your directional arrow is what is repositioning you. Jumping forward will take you the same distance as walking forward.
  • kalina311kalina311 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,082 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    shoziku222 said:

    kalina311 said:

    For me as a Cw jumping allows me to repostion out of red areas without wasting stamina or a dodge needlessly .. and moving a few feet instead of a huge dodge distance that could put me in another red areas or out of a buff circle

    the jump is not necessary. just run in a direction. Jumping doesn't propel you in any direction but up because of game physics. Your directional arrow is what is repositioning you. Jumping forward will take you the same distance as walking forward.
    YOU ARE WRONG ... there is hang time in the air where you can change you mind/ make a correction / direction and also chose to teleport/ move a different direction while in mid air ( only skilled players can do this) ...also there is a cw feats that adds movement the more you dodge as well

    this is also perhaps easier on the Pc then xbox or ps4 that could be the issue

    also with some powers you are rooted on the spot unless you are jump casting
    a good example is ray of frost you are root if you use the at will however if you jump cast and give a micro pulse of it it can proc all you boon and HAMSTER / give stacks ...and you can still keep moving/ repostioning ..its not all about the moment/ jumping per say it is also about fluid casting

    also in pvp the key to my cw success in pvp was jump dodging and casting at the same time as well also being you have more air hang time before hitting the ground .. to deak and fake out an opponent and suddenly dodge in mid air to a different direction comboed with the jump .. I would not expect a non pvp vet to understand/ implement this


    so dont try and tell me walking accomplishes the same thing....

    jumping/ over aiming up also allows to target taller opponents hitboxes that are being blocked by smaller ones in the heat of battle especially if you are not hard of soft target locking ..also a concept that perhaps eludes you

    please dont try to "school" me on jumping after 1300+ posts
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  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    All the "Tiggers" better hope I never have a hand in making a game. Excessive jumping will only cause a lot of broken ankles.
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  • pteriaspterias Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 661 Arc User
    I haven't seriously PvP'd in like 2 years and I STILL find myself reflexively jump-dodging from time to time!
  • hawkeyelhawkeyel Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    I blame most of it on Kris Kross.
  • jorifice1jorifice1 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    hawkeyel said:

    I blame most of it on Kris Kross.

    Of course, you can never underestimate the influence of Van Halen or Third Eye Blind...........
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  • jandemannjandemann Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 46 Arc User
    jorifice1 said:

    hawkeyel said:

    I blame most of it on Kris Kross.

    Of course, you can never underestimate the influence of Van Halen or Third Eye Blind...........
    And let's not forget House of Pain either ;)
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