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jaime4312
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@balanced#2849 any changes for the class? You stated you'd address class specific issues after mod 14 and since then whe haven't heard anything from you about SW.
If there are any tweaks, it would be good if you let us know what they're about, or at least a few of them.
If there are any tweaks, it would be good if you let us know what they're about, or at least a few of them.
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> These changes will probably become a feedback thread in the Neverwinter Preview forums once MOD15 is ready for beta testing.
Hopefully, we'll see.
I'm going to guess either
that you don't play SWor that you are happy with the Bug of Hadar and don't want to upset the apple cart.Edit: I can see that the poster plays SW. Still mystified as to why they're opposed to further improvements, though.
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> Stop tryna change SW every mod T.T
> Unless its the damnation talent tree... Other than that... STHAP!!!
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> I'm going to guess either that you don't play SW or that you are happy with the Bug of Hadar and don't want to upset the apple cart.
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> Edit: I can see that the poster plays SW. Still mystified as to why they're opposed to further improvements, though.
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> So what that it's bugged? Plenty of sw stuff is bugged positive for its users. I don't understand why you would want them fixed. If you don't like abusing it, you can always refuse to use the skill.
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> Pushing for more changes right after 2 ''reworks'' can cause the current devs to completely change the class since they aren't able to fix the bugs. Or perhaps even bug it more/reduce its effeciency and make undesirable in parties.
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> Personally, I don't use hadar, I have no need for it.
If we discourage the devs from making changes because we’re afraid of the possibility of more things getting broken, we might as well stop having patches entirely.
Just because the DPS bug makes SW perform like a decent DPS situationally, that doesn’t mean that a real fix for consistently better performance isn’t a good idea.
And no, the bug is not required to get the job done, but the disparity between SW and the physical DPS classes is obvious.
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Even with the bughadar we still behind others strikers
Go face r.e.a.l top tier GWF/TR/HR you will see how weak we are.
Also your comment on 2nd boss of CR does not make sense: with THREE dps, we can can as well finish him before any spinning (I talk from experience, and it is also depending a lot on the tank)...
It makes me laugh when people judge other SWs potential without having played with them.
But for sure, average players don't expect anymore the SWs to DPS since SWs are now more often hired as templocks.
If you never run support (either on SW on another class), you will never know the other top tier capacities.
I spoke of the 3 -dps party, only to illustrate the fact that it was possible to beat the second boss in this configuration without any spinning
"Tell that to the SWs that are clearing CR in 20-30mins that aren't spamming scrolls"--> what do you mean ?
Stop talk like this about me when you don't know HAMSTER about me or played with me.
Stop think you are superior to everyone with your oversized ego btw.
Still saying sw are broken and the weakest dps in the game.
But I think i'm in those 99% deadbrain sw's like you said sorry dunno how to use pop, i can't give my opinion
"SW is one of the weakest DPS" does not = "SW is unusable". It's mathematically true that SW underperforms against the majority of DPS classes in the game. Just because you can prop up any class (including a base support class like DC or OP) with enough buffs and make them into HDPS to complete an expert-tier dungeon doesn't mean that SW isn't at a disadvantage compared to its peer DPS.
A DPS in this game doesn't have to be useless to be the weakest in comparison to its competition. The issue is that players expect to be on relatively even footing with other classes of their role and are disappointed when they have a built-in handicap. Also, there are bad players of ALL classes and roles; you can't blame poor perception of a class solely on player underperformance.
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> "SW is one of the weakest DPS" does not = "SW is unusable". It's mathematically true that SW underperforms against the majority of DPS classes in the game.
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> Show me those 'mathematical' numbers.
Open up the feats and powers information for, say, TR or GWF. Note where they gain multiplicative damage increases.
Compare relative lack of quantity and quality of similar increases in SW. Also note overabundance of enemy damage taken debuffs, which are not nearly as good.
Also try playing with a competent DPS that is neither SW nor CW if the disparity in multiplicative buffs doesn’t make the case for you. All players think they are at the top of the game when they are the top of their own circle of friends, and forget public queues, where it seems that players are actually less likely to be good the higher their ilvl.
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2 Sw is broken and underpowered
Again can you show us how you dps against real top tier GWF/TR/HR in FBI/MSP/CODG pls (not T9G or CR with constant bugged brood spamming and think you are hdps
A shame you're not on PS4 ,so I would have show you a reality check if I'm not that good as I think
A 3 CW T9 run with two of us both over 17.5 and it was not a pretty run. Half way through and I decided to go full on buff just to make it easier for us. I than jump on my DC get a HR, TR and GWF and we blow right through T9 in no time.
I than take 3 SW and again no problem. Yeah the SW is bugged ATM but all 3 did not use the bug and it was not a bad run. Still faster than my 3 CW run.
As for SW vs melee classes it just got harder with the fix to the Fured Kuno and Fury Heels. Add to it that the 3 melee class can also use the Fearbringer for more damage from At Wills and Encounter powers as all three classes don't really need to use their daily for max damage. Yeah devs make the stronger 3 classes even stronger while the range classes are nothing more than buffers for those melee classes.
SW should enjoy their bug time because in its current state the SW is very close to TR, HR and GWF in damage. Once that is fixed, than you can join the CW but still be better than a CW as the Templock is very close to a DO for buffing making a CW the worst class in the game.
I am all for fixing bugs and getting all damage dealing classes to have like performance in damage.
I'm hoping the next mod we get boots that boost the damage of dailies and range abilities. This way CW and SW can use them instead of the enduring boots for the 3% damage buff.
I do agree though that the SW does need to be fixed. Once fixed tweak it so it is closer in damage to the GWF, HR and TR. If the devs does this for the SW they will also have to do it as well for the CW.
> Stop tryna change SW every mod T.T
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> Stop tryna change ? Lol, we are the weakest dps atm in the game.
> Even with the bughadar we still behind others strikers
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> Speak for yourself. Not for the class. Not even remotely true that we are the weakest dpsers.
> On average SW players are bad. Also 99% of people claiming SW dps sucks are playing/have seen ppl play, HB with a feytouch.
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> "SW is one of the weakest DPS" does not = "SW is unusable". It's mathematically true that SW underperforms against the majority of DPS classes in the game.
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> Show me those 'mathematical' numbers.
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> Have you played a GWF and looked at the destroyer tree for 3 seconds?
No, he apparently hasn’t, because he thinks we are living in theorycraft land and have no personal experience to back up our claims, so why would he be concerned with something as pedestrian as all that?
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