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Guardian Fighter Random Queue. DPS and Tank, not just Tank.
It seems so unfair that the other Tank (well we could also say the only Tank in this game) - the Oathbound Paladin can queue either as a Tank or as a Healer just by simply changing Paragons. The GF, may it be Swordmaster or Iron Vanguard vis-a-vis Conqueror, Protector or Tactician will always be queued in as a Tank. GFs are now considered as the ultimate burst single target DPS in the game and I have geared my GF to be such, but I don't ever queue the random epic dungeon anymore because of the 3 times that I did I always got entered into FBI and MSPC. A GF Tank with DPS gear, artifacts, companions and enchantments definitely gets wiped out multiple times before even reaching the 1st bosses. Even for T9G and CoDG, GFs on private queues are utilized as buff DPS, may they be built as Conqueror or Tactician and never as a Tank.
May I suggest that in Mod 14, please give the DPS GF it's due by designating the Swordmaster path as the DPS Paragon and the Iron Vanguard as the Tank path. I would like for the Weapon Master's Strike to replace Cleave as the first available At-Will for both Paragons. GF players, please support this thread to get our honorable Developers' attentions.
May I suggest that in Mod 14, please give the DPS GF it's due by designating the Swordmaster path as the DPS Paragon and the Iron Vanguard as the Tank path. I would like for the Weapon Master's Strike to replace Cleave as the first available At-Will for both Paragons. GF players, please support this thread to get our honorable Developers' attentions.
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It doesn't take top gear, but you do have to pay attention. Anyway, the the game is built to consider the Guardian Fighter as a tank and that won't change given that the devs want to move towards more traditional parties. They aren't going to let people have more options to game the public queues with loadouts.
Make a tank loadout or else forget the random queues. Doing 2 ETOS will net you more RAD faster than 1 RQ FBI.
To be honest, the game should have three types of random queues kind of members: DPS, TANK and UTILITY and each player should be able to set which category to join. If you are a Tact GF you are Support/Utility player not a DPS and neither a TANK.
The fact that the paladin can switch both as DPS and as HEALER then, is a real disparity in treatment.
I hope that the developers will soon take serious steps to fill this disparity that only the GF has.
Thank you Jude for your warning.
If GF will be considered as DPS there we are again doing "meta groups" for random que. Now we are forced to run with 3xdps setup which at least makes people to get 3xdps. If we will have GF considered a dps, then We have GF/OP/DC in group. You seriously need this for running things like FBI or MSP in RAQ?
If you think that tactician is not a tank, then my friend - you should learn more about the class.
have you ever played a GF? you know its impossible to find a good RAQ o RES party for us? you know if there is a paladin in group you cant play if people pick DC and paladin cant switch healer to let us come into instance? no i think you dont know so please, before say to someone "you shoudl learn more" play a class, then speak....thank you.
However only way for a GF to go into a dungeon is in the following configuration: pala tank (switched healer only for queue), SW as real healer (in queue as dps), GF as real buffer (in queue as tank) and 2 dps (no as no warlock)...so difficult...so annoying...
So please Cryptic, if you cant create an "UTILITY" slot for queue let GF join as DPS.
Seriously dude, learn to play this class and then moan. Yes, we are inferior to OP, but for god's sake - don't make us useless. Two months from now and you will say we cannot tank CN lol. Kind of funny.
Problems isnt CN ( btw in RIQ not in RAQ) but FBI, Svardborg master, even Tong.
In my opinion we need a slot to join as buffer/support or a buff as tank to be at the same level of paladins.
PS: and we are speaking about RAQ but even REQ it's impossible for us as tank.
Yes, we're buffer in Craddle and yes - we're usually buffers in Tong. But don't blame the game if you are inable to que for FBI. I mean, let's be serious - if four mods (or actually 5 or 6 since there were also two major x.5 drops on 10.5 and 12.5) from when the dungeon was introduced, you still are unable to competetively que for FBI, then there's clearly something wrong with your GF. Stop moaning, start playing.
And if you want to taste of how it feels to be useless and not wanted, make an archery HR and go out there. Maybe then you will see how easy-peasy it is to play as GF.
> Seriusly you think GF can be a tank like/better then paladin as tactitian? Seriusly you think people run a dungeon with a gf tact as tank instead of paladin?
Yes. OP provides more buffs. But Gf also have great tools. Commanders strike, 10% debuff when enemy hits your shield, ITF, KV, Mark (double mark if Iron Vanguard), extra AP.
Tactician is actually pretty good in queues because you will get hurt more.
You can also just DPS tank. Which is what I do
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As for current state of the game for a GF DPS; your damage is so high so that it provides you the ability to maintain threat as a tank. Have any of you ever played other MMOs? I mean seriously, the DPS spec setup of a GF is to hold threat. Look at what you use, Knight Challenge - forces the target to focus on you. KV it causes you to generate threat and Enforce Threat. If you go without defense and cannot take a hit to survive that is on you as a player, a GF by all means is a tank given how class is setup even if you can do a billion or more damage in a dungeon. If you want to play a Fighter class that is designed around being a DPS, go play as a GWF.
As another poster pointed out, swap out your mount power and guild boon for defense and you should be fine.
I also know plenty of high damaging GF that can play as a conquer tanking FBI, MPSC, T9, and even CoDG and still produce exceptional damage.
If the devs did what the ask is here, than the DC would like a DPS spec where we don't buff the group. SW would like to be counted as a healer, GWF should be able to play as a tank, CW should be setup to be a utility/buffer role (which the game does not have), etc....
I like the idea as I created a thread on expanding roles for classes and adding a new role to the game. But given that the priority tends to be around new LB/content and bug fixes there is probably no inclination at this point to update the game to provide us the ability to play more than one role for all classes.