Hey all! I got started on NW at the beginning of this year and I main a HB Fury whose loadouts I, sadly, messed up (replaced the 2nd loadout with my original rip, didn't know any better back then). Got to respec one and I'm all set for a dps, but I was thinking of going Templock for epic content. I'll probably get a retraining token and go for SB Temp in the near future, but I was wondering if a HB Temp build is any good? I've only seen mentions of SB Temps, so it picked my curiosity.
The Field Medic Board only measures healing done by the player, regardless of who the recipient of the heal is. Meaning that even Lifesteal or self heals will increase the chart. So you can get silly things like a CW or GF "outhealing" a DC because of Lifesteal and Fighter's Recovery spam. I have never seen anyone mention doing Temptation as a Soulbinder. All the Templocks I have seen are all Hellbringer, since Pillar of Power's damage bonus can be shared to the party, and thus fits the support oriented Templock better. To answer your question, it's decent enough, assuming you roll HB Templock.
It heals well enough that only oneshots or RNGezus Crits will be the only things killing your team.
The buffs, while okay, won't eclipse that of a DC.
You won't be dealing as much damage as Fury specs, but you add some chip damage here and there.
Overall, Templock fills a support role well enough that you get people looking for Templocks, though that's only after they've found Paladins and/or Clerics. Or only if the Paladins/DCs are all taken and they need to make do with a substitute.
No prob dealing less damage here, either; I just wanna help get some pressure off the healer from time to time, depending on the group setup. Thanks a lot for the input!
Templocks must be HB. Period.
You can do a better support with GWF than with soulbinder. Templock is HB.
The [SoulBinder] path was the "way to survive" for very low level Templock (not enough LifeSteal and not enough HealthPoints). Thanks to "Dust To Dust" feat and the burst DPS of SoulScorch. (I personnally felt the HUGE difference back when ElementalEvil mod flattenned us all in the mud.)
Now that the level grind 60->70 is no more, and with the rework of [HellBringer] PillarOfPower (good Debuff+Buff) this "niche" for [SoulBinder] path for Templock is not needed.
Now if you want survival with low level Templock, just abuse ArmsOfHadar while on top of PillarOfPower then use ShadowWalk and PrinceOfHell feats. For the third encouter, it depend on how low you are :
Don't forget to can stack mounts insigna survival bonuses.
- < 70k HP and/or < 10%LS : VampriricEmbrace (don't forget to curse the foe to get the needed tempoary HealthPoints)
- Higher you can go either
- Debuff : BladesOfVanqusihedArmies or DreadTheft (or Wraith'sShadow but really poor damage and complex mechanic)
- Mobility : FieryBolt
- CrowdControl : Hadar'sGrasp
- Suicid (Squad) : Warlock'sBargain
SB looks like a somehow dead paragon to me atm, except some rare occasions for BIS player maybe running beside a HB templock in codg.
HB templock is in a good spot, same as other buffer. Not the strongest buffer but you add some good heals plus LS buffs, pretty handy sometimes, same as dps-lock in it's broken setup is a strong dps on single targets.
If fixed warlock will be a small sidenote again amongst other striker
Same thing goes for a few other "popular" builders, such as Dark's combat HR build. He leaves so much DPS on the table, it is quite ridiculous.
(Especially since I recently dusted off my never-finished SW and am having a lot of fun with it )
I'm on my testing way anyway as my warlock and some guildmates need it too.
You're also not alone, almost every SW guide I read I take issues with a few things but I imagine it's that way for everyone.
Edit: sorry don't normally post on the arc forums and can't quote properly, but in regards to your comment about Infernal Wrath lol.
I may go test it, if I have time and motivation ^^ (next week)
Let's say it's really a unmitigated capped buff
I guess it's for skilled/disciplined BiS party able to DPS mainly on the green.
- Loss of 5 points in Temptation tree (ok can do without it)
- Loss of 18% (edit thanks @jaime4312, I didn't know how I put wrong number, too tired I guess...) of DPS buff when not on the PillarOfPower green area (bad!)
- Gain 5% of DPS buff on lesser cursed targets (ok)
- Mandatory use of AllConsumingCurse with high critical chance for generating those lesser curses
- (high critical chance is inconsistent with the "all stats on power advice")
Or for "DPS Templock" who don't want both of EldrichtMomentum & Darkness ( I know that "DPS Templock" has even less meaning than Templock: an evil pratictioner wanting to heal (lol) but whose goal is to main damage (the hell?) ).
where do we lose this buff? we're are not loosing any feats regarding pop or am i wrong ?
PoP is a 18% buff for teammates.
Infernal Wrath is a 5% damage resistance debuff for everyone, at least in the group.
If not having Power of the Nine Hells, when you (or group members) step you of PoP, you instantly lose its 24% buff and likewise with teammates although it's a 18% buff for them.
Not having Po9H is okay if your team can melt bosses otherwise gg.
Thanks for those precisions!
(Did you test it personnally?)
> I went straight temp, aura of despair, aura of cruelty, and darkness. havent had any problems in endgame yet, though my IL is kinda high...Im thinking of going back and put 10 into damnation for potnh, for team buffs.
> Oh! Great a Darkness user! I've got some questions for you!
> * What is the "high IL" range you talk about? 14k/15k/16k/17k/18k?
> * About Darkness
> * What power did you use to trigger Darnkess: BladesOfVainquishedArmies or HarrowStorm or both?
> * Is the Darnkess 10% DPS buff meaningful for you?
> * Is the Darnkess 10% Defence meaningful for you?
> Thanks for those precisions!
> (Did you test it personnally?)
Hey @"jaime4312#3760" and @duckntroll I'll answer your questions, just plzdont laugh at my poor attempt at a templock build, as I feel its a setup thats comfortable for me :)
I am currently 16.5k IL(not thathigh)
I mostly use bova to trigger darkness but ive sen other suggestions like spending 10 into damnation and maybe 5 into fury (not to go full temp)
IDK about the dps buff, the more u dps the more u heal, but im not running main dps so is it that important?
the 10% defense i'd have to say yea, better to do it on a class as squishy as we are,at least thats what I think. Edit: some sw out there might not have that problem as im still ranking enchantments and stuff up. where i am now is not where i want to be forever.
The runs Ive been in so far have been 20 min or a little more with a reasonable team. I can only improve from here on out though so im very open to suggestions :)
PoP and Infernal Wrath were tested by @thefabricant and/or @michela123 so you can trust the informartion about those 2 things is correct.
Also @merhunesdagon1 afaik Darkness is a 10% damage resistance debuff feat that forces you to use BoVA/Harrowstorm and that works only for the SW who procs it so I skipped it on my loadout.
> PoP and Infernal Wrath were tested by @thefabricant and/or @michela123 so you can trust the informartion about those 2 things is correct.
> Also @merhunesdagon1 afaik Darkness is a 10% damage resistance debuff feat that forces you to use BoVA/Harrowstorm and that works only for the SW who procs it so I skipped it on my loadout.
Very good info man, I always trust information from that egghead @thefabricant :)
@duckntroll I probably will drop darkness for POTNH feat. maybe dabble into fury for a little extra dps.
However I'm wayyy too lazy to go testing everything ^^ and I don't enjoy testing that much...
(So I do take lot's of things for granted when I obviously should not.)
Remark: I'm wondering why dev's give a SELFISH 10% DSP buff/debuff on Templock's only feat... Consistency guys...
I won´t spends 15 point into fury to get a 5% DR-debuff (getting deminished in a group down to 2-3% +dps).
Infernal Wrath is a 5% debuff, allways was I think, nothing else. You can check it with ACT easily.
Stepping out of PoP for 2 out of 10 seconds is a 3-4% dps loss for your teammates and a 5% loss for you.
In CoDG you will step out of PoP for >50% of the time since you have to move, except you want to die or punish your group with that annyoing debuff.
You don´t want to kill that dps buff on your teammates (2xhdps+DO-DC+GF) and yourself most ot the time I am pretty sure.
The only scenario where potnh might be from minor interest is the group wich burns a boss in 4-5 seconds or some bossencounter like turtle/orcus, agreed.
A 5% debuff will not change a lot about the fact that your group kills that boss in 4-5 seconds, same as your dps is not that important and won´t get a significant boost from those 3 feats CP, GE and IF.
Templock is a supporter, buffing/debuffing at first imo. I met templocks, skipping Dread Theft (your best debuff), same as PoP runnig with a hdps .... very bad choice imo.
Again, thanks a bunch!
You take things you see and read for granted, and then became easily misled by shiny presentation/communication, syllogism, value judgment, ...
That's the wrong path even if you got correct answers/results -> not because some famous theorycrafter isn't trustable, but cuz YOU will become a no-brainer instead of developping some real personnal skills.
Now if some theorycrafter presents information after extensively testing said information and giving it to the community as useful information, I take it as driving the horse to the well. Now will that horse drink from the well or will he choose not to? The horse has a choice, which is more important than if he had chosen a yes or no answer. Maybe the horses choice of not drinking from the well is better than if he had actually drank from the well, and vice a versa, but whats good for that horse may not be good for another horse.
understanding that you could actually learn something or gain more knowledge from another player regarding your own class is pretty much a no brainer. some ppl choose to do things their way, others choose to follow someone else and you also have ppl out there that will tweak their builds around a popular build for their own personal play style. You were probably trying to prove a point as to why you have a problem following someone elses advice and emphasized on the importance of using your own logic at times. which is a good way of seeing things. At least thats what I got out of your ranting. Dont bust a blood vessel just because I called you out for not really contributing as much as a popular theorycrafter, then feeling some type of way because ppl would rather take said theorycrafters information over "im lazy". Its just a forum, I can imagine how your doing out there in the real world...