Any News on Perma Rooting TR's with Courage Break and Smoke Bomb?

theguiido · November 2017

Any news on a fix for it? It was acknowledged by @sgrantdev#8718 or @sgrantdev but I never saw a fix for it. I will quote some of my old posts just in case some of you have no idea just how bad this is. You are permantley rooted in place and CANNOT move. This is being exploited by some TR's and has yet to be fixed.

theguiido said:
Proof of the CB root/ TR slow stacking making you go 0% speed:

https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/d949ab39-8faa-4d0c-81ff-81650e3eb021
https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/000e4754-a694-41e9-8d4f-4a054e3b2902
https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/df04134e-e6d5-46c4-858e-fa7ca4434da0

sgrantdev#8718 said:

theguiido said:
Proof of the CB root/ TR slow stacking making you go 0% speed:

https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/d949ab39-8faa-4d0c-81ff-81650e3eb021
https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/000e4754-a694-41e9-8d4f-4a054e3b2902
https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/df04134e-e6d5-46c4-858e-fa7ca4434da0
Thanks for the videos. It is hard to tell what other ability is causing you to go to 0 after courage breaker hits. Do you have an idea of what other debuff may be causing the stacking issue?

It's literally Courage Break, Smoke Bomb, and what could also be used is the Cloud of Steel Feature on TR's. But mainly Courage Break and Smoke Bomb.

trgluestickz · December 2017

I haven't heard any news on a fix for this yet, its one of the more serious bugs so I hope the devs plan to deal with it soon. I wrote an explanation of this bug for a different thread but I will leave it here too:

Courage Breaker (CB) Daily Power Bug:

CB will sometimes root the target instead of slowing them.
I have seen some conflicting reports on this bug.
One version is that this bug is not so much a bug as it is that multiple slow powers can stack on top of each other until your movement speed becomes 0.
The other version is that the slows from CB + other powers don't just stack but interact with each other in a buggy way that causes your movement speed to internally set to 0 when its not supposed to.
I witnessed this bug take place by accident a few times before I knew the cause. Curiously, the root seemed to last for just as long as the slow this power would normally have dealt instead.

trgluestickz · December 2017

On another note, the preview section seems to be getting noticably less traffic than usual. It may be worth checking other bug feedback sections to see if they are more active and then getting a mod to move this thread to a better location.

theguiido · December 2017

trgluestickz said:
I haven't heard any news on a fix for this yet, its one of the more serious bugs so I hope the devs plan to deal with it soon. I wrote an explanation of this bug for a different thread but I will leave it here too:

Courage Breaker (CB) Daily Power Bug:

CB will sometimes root the target instead of slowing them.
I have seen some conflicting reports on this bug.
One version is that this bug is not so much a bug as it is that multiple slow powers can stack on top of each other until your movement speed becomes 0.
The other version is that the slows from CB + other powers don't just stack but interact with each other in a buggy way that causes your movement speed to internally set to 0 when its not supposed to.
I witnessed this bug take place by accident a few times before I knew the cause. Curiously, the root seemed to last for just as long as the slow this power would normally have dealt instead.

Exactly. I get what you are saying. See what I mean in the videos? https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/000e4754-a694-41e9-8d4f-4a054e3b2902 this one in particular I was frozen in place just from CB. It's very weird how it works. But I did get a response from a dev, but had no follow up on whats going on with it.

That too, the traffic has been nearly 0. I don't know why ??

I thought they would be back after the holidays. I don't really know whats going on. People wan't the PvP thread answered, a follow up to the bugs like this, the TR Rework, and more clarity on whats coming and going on with the game.

magnusg15 · January 2018

clip from 2017 prior to CB duration being cut in half. please dont post old clips and use as new evidence.

magnusg15 · January 2018

magnusg15 said:
clip from 2017 prior to CB duration being cut in half. please dont post old clips and use as new evidence.

i see this was posted in december, but you should've known from pc release CB was cut in half even if you didnt have it on xbox yet imo.

jonkoca · January 2018

Noticed this too, cb, smokebomb, slows from atwill, and suddenly I'm utterly imobilzed.

theguiido · January 2018

theguiido said:
Any news on a fix for it? It was acknowledged by @sgrantdev#8718 or @sgrantdev but I never saw a fix for it. I will quote some of my old posts just in case some of you have no idea just how bad this is. You are permantley rooted in place and CANNOT move. This is being exploited by some TR's and has yet to be fixed.
theguiido said:
Proof of the CB root/ TR slow stacking making you go 0% speed:

https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/d949ab39-8faa-4d0c-81ff-81650e3eb021
https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/000e4754-a694-41e9-8d4f-4a054e3b2902
https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/df04134e-e6d5-46c4-858e-fa7ca4434da0

sgrantdev#8718 said:

theguiido said:
Proof of the CB root/ TR slow stacking making you go 0% speed:

https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/d949ab39-8faa-4d0c-81ff-81650e3eb021
https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/000e4754-a694-41e9-8d4f-4a054e3b2902
https://xboxclips.com/The+Guiido/df04134e-e6d5-46c4-858e-fa7ca4434da0
Thanks for the videos. It is hard to tell what other ability is causing you to go to 0 after courage breaker hits. Do you have an idea of what other debuff may be causing the stacking issue?
It's literally Courage Break, Smoke Bomb, and what could also be used is the Cloud of Steel Feature on TR's. But mainly Courage Break and Smoke Bomb.

magnusg15 said:

magnusg15 said:
clip from 2017 prior to CB duration being cut in half. please dont post old clips and use as new evidence.
i see this was posted in december, but you should've known from pc release CB was cut in half even if you didnt have it on xbox yet imo.

I will post a new video of it still working. Cutting it in half did not stop the bug. This cut in time never fixed the bug, but instead band-aided the issue. It lessoned the chance of it happening, but it still happens. Your next comment did nothing but want to start an argument, and my original videos were out before the announcement of the nerf to CB. Please do not comment on stuff you do not know about.

Video Proof: https://clips.twitch.tv/AmazonianCourageousTortoiseNononoCat

Hard to see, but I am there spinning around and cannot move. I did not purposely stop moving with my controller. That is what the perma root does.

magnusg15 · January 2018

so you mean this persists for longer than CB's duration? cause all i see is a 5 second clip. if everyone walked away would you still be stuck 5 seconds later?

theguiido · January 2018

magnusg15 said:
so you mean this persists for longer than CB's duration? cause all i see is a 5 second clip. if everyone walked away would you still be stuck 5 seconds later?

You see me with my shield up walking, then stop moving? Immediately at 2-3 seconds I was completely unable to move. Aka, the reason why I was stuck in place then spinning around. I was then unable to move for the duration of the slow, it lasted only a few more seconds after, then it obviously subsides. By the time I was done spinning I was free. Doesn't change what happen though, the proof is right there.

I was lucky enough to catch it in game, and on stream.

magnusg15 · January 2018

it looks like you might have been hit by the curse bringer ring too at the time. try and repro in icewind under controlled circumstances.

i think curse bringer is supposed to interrupt your movement.

theguiido · January 2018

magnusg15 said:
it looks like you might have been hit by the curse bringer ring too at the time. try and repro in icewind under controlled circumstances.

i think curse bringer is supposed to interrupt your movement.

I was not hit with CB rings at all. Nobody in that A team ran a CB ring. We've tried reproducing it with the best TR's in the game. (30-40k Recovery) with 4 consecutive CB's. That's why I said I was lucky to catch it on stream.

theguiido · February 2018

Got another one caught on my stream! https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingHorribleLyrebirdKeepo

Literally it's only CB!

magnusg15 · February 2018

theguiido said:
Got another one caught on my stream! https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingHorribleLyrebirdKeepo

Literally it's only CB!

Interesting, could it be the lunge that did it?

What's that gold tear debuff that showed up?

theguiido · February 2018

magnusg15 said:

theguiido said:
Got another one caught on my stream! https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingHorribleLyrebirdKeepo

Literally it's only CB!
Interesting, could it be the lunge that did it?

What's that gold tear debuff that showed up?

No. The lunge is Aggravating Strike. Which is the only move a Guardian Fighter can use to escape the perma root bug of CB. Other than Line Breaker Assault, Lunging Strike and Threatening Rush if they are in range.

Not sure if you PvP, but that "gold tear debuff" is Healing Depression which halves Shields and Temp HP, as well as Reduce Healing by 75% in PvP. Every time you are hit by a player, you receive that debuff regardless of class.

magnusg15 · February 2018

i do, i never pay attention to that though. i wonder if somehow there is a situation which allows courage breaker to apply it's slow twice.

theguiido · February 2018

magnusg15 said:
i do, i never pay attention to that though. i wonder if somehow there is a situation which allows courage breaker to apply it's slow twice.

I've had TR's who CB'd me 4 times consecutively and from what I can see it no longer stacks from the SINGLE TR. But It does stack with multiple TR's. The slow does NOT. But the damage debuff does.

noworries · February 2018

We are aware that some combination of things can stop the movement of players. However, we haven't found any reliable repro for this issue which makes it difficult to make progress on fixing it. If we can't repro it reliably, we can't also test that what we're doing has fixed it. We have rogues in our internal PvP Playtests and have seen this behavior on the fly, but haven't been able to go back and recreate it on demand.

Some of the times it appears to be Impenetrable Jungle which currently only has a debuff icon (no pop up text or effects on the player) but there is certainly more going on than just that (and we have added an effect and pop up text for that boon for a future update).

If anyone has found a specific way to make this 0 movement speed happen, we would appreciate a PM on the details to help us get a solid fix in place.

kalina311 · February 2018

@noworries

I would assume the sandy pants were also be part of this stun lock meta /test and it has already been adjust once down from 5 seconds to 3 (per player per item activation ) ..... why are none of these items affected by your pvp cc resist stacking system and are seemingly by passing it as are a number of powers and items and boons .. this stuff needs to be flagged to work with the pvp cc resist system

theguiido · February 2018

kalina311 said:
@noworries

I would assume the sandy pants were also be part of this stun lock meta /test and it has already been adjust once down from 5 seconds to 3 (per player per item activation ) ..... why are none of these items affected by your pvp cc resist stacking system and are seemingly by passing it as are a number of powers and items and boons .. this stuff needs to be flagged to work with the pvp cc resist system

Thunderhead, Sandy Pants, Exactly.

spidey · February 2018

Guys.....why do you think this bug fixes at TRs takes so long? No one saw the last stream "state of the game"??
Read this plz:
"They however have some guys looking into the Trickster Rogue and Scourge Warlock right now. Part of the reason why class balancing took so long was that nobody in the studio really knew how to do it. They first had to train someone since the last dev with massive knowledge in that area left a while ago."

So ho would you fix a bug, if you dont know the class? Lets see who can solve this riddle first.

kalina311 · February 2018

yes that dev went on to magic the gathering as i commented on in another thread

kalina said

"The dev that was working on pvp and understood powers and how they worked has left for magic the gathering game already announced in the live stream that is what happened to pvp ..and is why he had not logged in for 4 months +
the new pvp dev is the one that worked on the warlock changes according to the stream

hopefully with the new pvp with the devs event announced this will help further stimulate discussion "

https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1237915/the-current-state-of-nw-pvp

Any News on Perma Rooting TR's with Courage Break and Smoke Bomb?

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