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GWF feat: Flanking Maneuver,question about CA.

dyukillerdyukiller Member Posts: 89 Arc User
edited August 2017 in The Militia Barracks
Greetings warriors.
I was looking for gwf builds, and found this guy on youtube explaining his build.
He starts the video saying: I'm doing this video to prove that I have no glitch in my gwf.

After of a lot of boring talk, he reveals his secret, 1 point in Flanking Maneuver.
Sem_t_tulo


According to his explanation, by knocking down enemies, he gains combat advantage, and this causes him to have a huge gain of dps.

I tested on the xbox, and after knocking down the enemies, I did not stand in combat advantage.
I informed him that in the xbox this feat doesn't give me combat advantage, and he answered me that on PC it gives!



Look, i just want to know: he's lying about gain CA by prone or not?

if he's not lying, this feat does give CA, why the hell it doesn't work on xbox?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4IEBhN3TZyA&lc=z231gbjjjsfxyvwih04t1aokgs2dtzpx1vokyv3tziwdrk0h00410.1501953496131208




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  • dairyzeusdairyzeus Member Posts: 304 Arc User
    dyukiller said:

    Greetings warriors.
    I was looking for gwf builds, and found this guy on youtube explaining his build.
    He starts the video saying: I'm doing this video to prove that I have no glitch in my gwf.

    After of a lot of boring talk, he reveals his secret, 1 point in Flanking Maneuver.
    Sem_t_tulo


    According to his explanation, by knocking down enemies, he gains combat advantage, and this causes him to have a huge gain of dps.

    I tested on the xbox, and after knocking down the enemies, I did not stand in combat advantage.
    I informed him that in the xbox this feat doesn't give me combat advantage, and he answered me that on PC it gives!



    Look, i don't want to know about math, or how ca works, i just want to know: he's lying about gain CA by prone or not?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=4IEBhN3TZyA&lc=z231gbjjjsfxyvwih04t1aokgs2dtzpx1vokyv3tziwdrk0h00410.1501953496131208




    According to janne's mechanics site prone is on the list of cc effects which grant combat advantage:

    http://janne.coreside.com/mechanics/combat-advantage

    So, if you actually prone your target, to my understanding, you should be getting combat advantage.
  • dyukillerdyukiller Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    yeah, i know, but according to janne too, some encounters like smoke bomb should give CA but doesn't.
    that is the thing, we know a lot of things should work, if prone from FM feat works, i could change daring shout for battle fury definitly.

    but when i tested, it doesn't wotk.

    i want to know if it works on pc as he said, them we can give a feedback for devs to fix it on xbox..
  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    How much damage give the mark to the great weapon fighter ( let outside of this the combat advantage) thanks.
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  • someonediessomeonedies Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    LOL I run same build on my PvE GWF.

    In the beginning I feat'ed it for lulz.
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  • someonediessomeonedies Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    The main point is vicious advantage (not powerful challenge).
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  • someonediessomeonedies Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    I have an idea of making a PvP build using WMS and FM. I think it'll be cool.
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  • dyukillerdyukiller Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    thank you guys for answer me a lot of things, but not what i asked :D
    does this feat give CA on pc or not?
  • michela123michela123 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    Same damage with and without prone enemy, no CA. But my PC is very old, maybe it works on his PC :D



  • demolitioninc#2453 demolitioninc
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    I would like to see his build and bonding proc on a target dummy. I am sure FM provides CA, but on a normal BiS build that shouldn't increase his dps so much. In PvE solo you normally gain CA from your companion - just position yourselve opposite to it and you have CA. In dungeons and groups you should position yourselve opposite to the tank and you have, guess what combat advantage.

    I was watching his video and something caught my eye, his ArmPen is only 1700 and this might the reason why is DPS goes up with prone opponents, because as soon as they are prone, ArmPen is negated. That's why I would like to see what his ArmPen is doing with bondings - he is running LA gear on his companion, maybe his is getting 60% / 85% RI.

    If his ArmPen stays low, yes flanking maneuver will help him getting dps. And since damage increase from ArmPen/RI is easer to get (1% per 100 points) then from power (1% per 400 points) ArmPen would be my preference.
    Question also is, how does vicious advantage (5% more CA damage) compare to "15% more damage to marked targets" from powerful challenge.
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  • dyukillerdyukiller Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited August 2017
    michela123 said:

    Same damage with and without prone enemy, no CA. But my PC is very old, maybe it works on his PC :D



    i've never laught tha much on nw foruns ! OMG !

    :D:D:D

    Thank you so much.
  • dyukillerdyukiller Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    demolitioninc#2453 said:


    Question also is, how does vicious advantage (5% more CA damage) compare to "15% more damage to marked targets" from powerful challenge.

    You got me now, did not know that this feat was about ca bonus damage, I thought it was + 5% dmg (like power or companion you know?) when I'm at combat advantage.

    so, if i have 10% CA bonus from stats,that is the hard cap from stats, and slot vicious advantage,will it overcap? :anguished:

  • dupeksdupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User
    edited August 2017
    dyukiller said:

    demolitioninc#2453 said:


    Question also is, how does vicious advantage (5% more CA damage) compare to "15% more damage to marked targets" from powerful challenge.

    You got me now, did not know that this feat was about ca bonus damage, I thought it was + 5% dmg (like power or companion you know?) when I'm at combat advantage.

    so, if i have 10% CA bonus from stats,that is the hard cap from stats, and slot vicious advantage,will it overcap? :anguished:

    The 10% CA bonus from stats is separate than other sources of CA (like CA pets, features, certain boons). It's also not a hard cap, so much as insanely steep diminishing returns asymptotically approaching 11.36%

    http://janne.coreside.com/mechanics/combat-advantage

    There is a damage formula that Janne put together that explains how different sources of CA impact the formula (some are additive, the boon is multiplicative to the additive components).

    So without knowing the specifics of Vicious Advantage, I would guess it's either additive with the attrib, stat, pets (imo more likely) or multiplicative like the boon (imo less likely).

    Also, I seem to recall that WMS on GWF used to trigger CA because of the flanking, regardless of whether or not you proned the target... Haven't checked in a long time though (my GWF doesn't get a lot of love recently). Does it no longer do that? Or I'm completely deluded and wrong XD (excuse my ignorance)
  • dyukillerdyukiller Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited August 2017
    Thanks, actually I messed up about hard cap and diminishing returns

    But the main point is still the same:
    Are 5% bonus dmg or 5% CA bonus dmg.

    See, there's a difference between them

    we can use an exemple to be more easy, remember it is an exemple,so we don't need to argue about the exemple, it's just to clarify:

    Str gives gwf dmg.
    Cha gives gwf CA bonus dmg.

    which one you think that Vicious Advantage feat gives?

  • dupeksdupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User
    dyukiller said:

    Thanks, actually I messed up about hard cap and diminishing returns

    But the main point is still the same:
    Are 5% bonus dmg or 5% CA bonus dmg.

    See, there's a difference between them

    we can use an exemple to be more easy, remember it is an exemple,so we don't need to argue about the exemple, it's just to clarify:

    Str gives gwf dmg.
    Cha gives gwf CA bonus dmg.

    which one you think that Vicious Advantage feat gives?

    I think it's like CHA, but I don't know for certain.

    I'll be able to test on this weekend, if nobody else gets there before me :)
  • dyukillerdyukiller Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    That would be awesome!
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