So about these weapons enchantments....

mrmakeithappen · February 2017

There's a lot of stats, formulas, numbers, and multi proc that I understand the gist of it but not entirely. I need someone to dumb it down for me lol. My main is a gwf without high crit, high crit severity, so boom vorpal done. I wanted my warlock to be different. Playing on ps4 most ppl run vorpal or dread. So I was going to go with fey as my WE. Now with mod 11 coming I see WE are going to get upgraded to increase more variety. A big name I hear being thrown around is the lightening WE. I wanted some tips because I like both but not sure which way to go for warlocks. Also plaguefire has a pretty sweet visual. I saw it was decent dps in some old and outdated builds but now it seems it is more for support classes. I was wondering if that would be a viable option again or should I just stick with the lightening or fey WE.

Thanks

mrshabok · February 2017

As of now i would go fey (at your own risk since 2 fey = utter waste) or just dread for sb/vorp for hb as always. As @kolatmaster accurately stated, we are basically high HP/boss melters. Thus lightning is not as good as the above. Stil decent but not really what we look for. Unless something has changed or will change? Hard to keep up with this stuff sometimes...

mrmakeithappen · February 2017

Thanks a bunch!!

ghoulz66 · February 2017

Damnation and Temptation are high HP melters? That's some grade A buffalo diarrhea right there. Kolatmaster is out of touch with the current meta...

Crit does so little to help damnation. The puppet does not crit, you may as well make use of utility enchants. HB damnation is like a whole different breed compared to SB fury. Removing so many powers ability to multiproc WEs ends up killing the entire class's ability to even make viable use out anything other than fey/vorpal/dread.

mrshabok · February 2017

Yeah? Fury has high DoT with decent burst and no AoE that's anything special...sounds like high HP mob/boss role to me. No one should ever play damnation or temptation for it's DPS, so throw that garbage argument out the window. Don't go acting high and mighty now. Sounds like you may be the one out of touch here.

schietindebux · February 2017

mrmakeithappen#7220 said:
There's a lot of stats, formulas, numbers, and multi proc that I understand the gist of it but not entirely. I need someone to dumb it down for me lol. My main is a gwf without high crit, high crit severity, so boom vorpal done. I wanted my warlock to be different. Playing on ps4 most ppl run vorpal or dread. So I was going to go with fey as my WE. Now with mod 11 coming I see WE are going to get upgraded to increase more variety. A big name I hear being thrown around is the lightening WE. I wanted some tips because I like both but not sure which way to go for warlocks. Also plaguefire has a pretty sweet visual. I saw it was decent dps in some old and outdated builds but now it seems it is more for support classes. I was wondering if that would be a viable option again or should I just stick with the lightening or fey WE.

Thanks

From what I experienced there is no big use for a warlock.
Atm lot´s of encounter proc WE like Bilethorn and Lightning only once or twice.

Hadar grasp, Hand of Blight, BoVA are somehow overperforming by multiprocs imo being a near 100% damageincrease, but´s that it.
Powers like Firy blast, CurseBite, Arms of Hadar, Accoursed Souls Flames of Phlegethos, Hellish rebuke, Harrow Storm will be inferior using Lightnig vs vorp/dread imo.
Dreadtheft, PoP, Warlocks Bargain, Brood of Hadar are a joke procing this WE 1-4 times (that´s like a 4-8% damageincrease) and
Wraith shadow, Gates of Hell are simply not working with those enchants.

You can build arround BoVA, HoB and Hadar grasp (wich procs WE 14 times), but this is a poor setup.
I am sure you won´t be able to stand against a CW in terms of AoE and and you will underperform on single targets, wich works quite ok compared to other striker (Soulbinder-fury)
Sadly I could not find a benefit from those enchants

, maybe someone can.

mrshabok · February 2017

schietindebux said:

mrmakeithappen#7220 said:
There's a lot of stats, formulas, numbers, and multi proc that I understand the gist of it but not entirely. I need someone to dumb it down for me lol. My main is a gwf without high crit, high crit severity, so boom vorpal done. I wanted my warlock to be different. Playing on ps4 most ppl run vorpal or dread. So I was going to go with fey as my WE. Now with mod 11 coming I see WE are going to get upgraded to increase more variety. A big name I hear being thrown around is the lightening WE. I wanted some tips because I like both but not sure which way to go for warlocks. Also plaguefire has a pretty sweet visual. I saw it was decent dps in some old and outdated builds but now it seems it is more for support classes. I was wondering if that would be a viable option again or should I just stick with the lightening or fey WE.

Thanks
From what I experienced there is no big use for a warlock.
Atm lot´s of encounter proc WE like Bilethorn and Lightning only once or twice.

Hadar grasp, Hand of Blight, BoVA are somehow overperforming by multiprocs imo being a near 100% damageincrease, but´s that it.
Powers like Firy blast, CurseBite, Arms of Hadar, Accoursed Souls Flames of Phlegethos, Hellish rebuke, Harrow Storm will be inferior using Lightnig vs vorp/dread imo.
Dreadtheft, PoP, Warlocks Bargain, Brood of Hadar are a joke procing this WE 1-4 times (that´s like a 4-8% damageincrease) and
Wraith shadow, Gates of Hell are simply not working with those enchants.

You can build arround BoVA, HoB and Hadar grasp (wich procs WE 14 times), but this is a poor setup.
I am sure you won´t be able to stand against a CW in terms of AoE and and you will underperform on single targets, wich works quite ok compared to other striker (Soulbinder-fury)
Sadly I could not find a benefit from those enchants , maybe someone can.

Agreed. No reason to use a worse rotation for almost no benefit. I maintain that Dread/Vorp/Fey is the way to go. Fey is still best for Templock I think. Correct me if I'm wrong or they changed something, but the problem is if one other person has it then that WE is beyond useless. On the other hand, if Fey worked with many people then we would see entire parties using it and it would be gamebreakingly OP in its current state.

mrmakeithappen · February 2017

From my understanding it's a waste if more than one person in the party is running fey WE. Being on the ps4 though I honestly don't see them that much. It's mostly vorpal or dread that's why I was going to go with Fey and probably have something as back-up in the off chance someone else is running with it

hadestemplar · February 2017

mrshabok said:

Agreed. No reason to use a worse rotation for almost no benefit. I maintain that Dread/Vorp/Fey is the way to go. Fey is still best for Templock I think. Correct me if I'm wrong or they changed something, but the problem is if one other person has it then that WE is beyond useless. On the other hand, if Fey worked with many people then we would see entire parties using it and it would be gamebreakingly OP in its current state.

For starter templock lightning is way to go. Why? because until he reach 3.1k GS and unlock certain dungeons, his healing is main way to keep everyone alive. Now TC > HG>WB or DT = full screen of DPS. I don't say that it will melt every enemy on screen as fast as u would hit crit strike and use dread WE. But not only you get dmg procing, but also triggering life stealing almost all time. So more less even with lower life steal chances, you have high healing.
With fury HB In preview server went to River District, found HE, and did that. Even I removed part of my gear to reduce GS and so one, even I didn't had Guild boons, I cleared it kinda easily. Also unless developers fixed, but each time lightning chain his dmg to any other close enemy, I triggered Creeping Death feat.

Also Mrshabok, since two players with Fey = no benefits. I assume it would be wise to skip that enchant if you plan go in parties. And keep it as best for solo gameplay. Because I am 100% sure that some guy will pick Fey WE anyways.
As for dread, well correct me, but there is no other way to get that enchant than from certain packs/box. And also it where for temporally time. So in pc nwo, prices for Dread increasing almost daily.
So I assume Vorp become mainstream once again..

Now speaking about over all WE, guys don't forget that these WE depend on gameplay, and on which power sets you using.. For example even lighting, for burst powers is not OK, For DoT is way to go. So for furry SB, is least viable option, while for SW who have power set more on DoT is big deal.

And one of coolest part, why bother with 1 WE? Keep in inventory couple WE. In boss fight use one, in aoe use other..

mrshabok · February 2017

bloodyspamer said:

mrshabok said:

Agreed. No reason to use a worse rotation for almost no benefit. I maintain that Dread/Vorp/Fey is the way to go. Fey is still best for Templock I think. Correct me if I'm wrong or they changed something, but the problem is if one other person has it then that WE is beyond useless. On the other hand, if Fey worked with many people then we would see entire parties using it and it would be gamebreakingly OP in its current state.
For starter templock lightning is way to go. Why? because until he reach 3.1k GS and unlock certain dungeons, his healing is main way to keep everyone alive. Now TC > HG>WB or DT = full screen of DPS. I don't say that it will melt every enemy on screen as fast as u would hit crit strike and use dread WE. But not only you get dmg procing, but also triggering life stealing almost all time. So more less even with lower life steal chances, you have high healing.
With fury HB In preview server went to River District, found HE, and did that. Even I removed part of my gear to reduce GS and so one, even I didn't had Guild boons, I cleared it kinda easily. Also unless developers fixed, but each time lightning chain his dmg to any other close enemy, I triggered Creeping Death feat.

Also Mrshabok, since two players with Fey = no benefits. I assume it would be wise to skip that enchant if you plan go in parties. And keep it as best for solo gameplay. Because I am 100% sure that some guy will pick Fey WE anyways.
As for dread, well correct me, but there is no other way to get that enchant than from certain packs/box. And also it where for temporally time. So in pc nwo, prices for Dread increasing almost daily.
So I assume Vorp become mainstream once again..

Now speaking about over all WE, guys don't forget that these WE depend on gameplay, and on which power sets you using.. For example even lighting, for burst powers is not OK, For DoT is way to go. So for furry SB, is least viable option, while for SW who have power set more on DoT is big deal.

And one of coolest part, why bother with 1 WE? Keep in inventory couple WE. In boss fight use one, in aoe use other..

Yup you make some good points. I really would just need to see for myself. Right now my rotation is AoH and BoVA and I heard BoVA doesn't proc with Lightning. Sounds like I just need to get one and see what happens. If it's proccing lifesteal of every single chain then that's pretty great actually, so I could see it being good for Temp.

As for Fey, it's very frustrating to me that, what seems like the perfect enchant, is unusable just because of a simple risk. I'm guessing this risk can be mitigated by A) Running in there and getting hits before the other person with Fey does, but who wants to always be worrying about that? and b) The fact that no one I know is ever using Fey and mostly for the reasons mentioned above. It's also very expensive, not only to buy another WE, but to keep switching enchants between mobs and bosses every single dungeon, not to mention it's a pain in the HAMSTER....UNLESS they give us loadouts finally. Then I could see running both Lightning + Vorp/Dread/Fey. I feel like that would really open up a door for us.

darkan · February 2017

hello i wish know if ascendency cloaked mod with changes weapons enchantments will have more options for dps that vorpal i not like much vorpal or dread but its only funcional weapon enchantments for dps class. the question is Vorpal will be only best options for dps hellbringer ?

mrshabok · February 2017

darkan#3756 said:
hello i wish know if ascendency cloaked mod with changes weapons enchantments will have more options for dps that vorpal i not like much vorpal or dread but its only funcional weapon enchantments for dps class. the question is Vorpal will be only best options for dps hellbringer ?

Lightning is an option if you want. Feytouched is also an option for additional debuff. That's probably it

So about these weapons enchantments....

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