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PS4 - SW HB FURY artifact set help...?

I have a question about my artifact set and would like some opinions and maybe some what have and hasn't worked.
I'm around 2800 GS right now too btw.
I am currently running the greater black ice belt and waist for the cha and con bonus. I do not run the beholder.
Last night I was lucky enough to get the horn of blasting to drop for me. My question is, would it make sense to use the horn and get the artifact set or just keep my mis matched set because the set bonus is negligible for lostmouth.
I think i'll be using the horn anyway to replace my scource sigil but I feel the set bonus for lostmouth in replace will hurt me.
Also, Since I'm hitting the cap for Armor pen, and I'll be adding even more arm pen with the horn, can I maybe switch out the black ice neck for the valindra's amulet? Then I'll be swapping some arm pen for recovery? Otherwise the arm pen isn't doing anything or is over the cap armor pen a good thing? Recovery should help my APG?

I know i would love to have the orcus set, but I can't afford that right now and all of the above is now obtainable.
Maybe it makes sense to sell the horn and buy a different artifiact?
I am running the wheel, book of dead, and lantern as my other artifact as a side note.
Thanks for any insight prior to responses.
Regards,

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  • kallephi#0836 kallephi Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    Keep the wheel, book and lantern and make a sigil of the devoted your main artifact. Lostmauth set would be 1% of your dps. Keep the charisma and con artifact gear because you can't afford orcus set, they will help you. The ap gain from let's say, 1k recovery, is close to nothing. Your artifacts are good, just put a sigil of the devoted and you're good.
    Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World
    Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
  • sledneck220#2698 sledneck220 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    I do have the SotD. So I could upgrade that.
    With that being said, what Daily are you popping all the time then? Gates? or TC still? I have actually been using Brood because it casts so fast especially on single targets. I see no returns from TC/TT but I could just not be seeing it show up.

    If i'm not using the Wheel as my main, isn't there something better that could be slotted in there since i'm really only benefiting from the power. The plus 4000 hp is kind of meh IMO.
  • kallephi#0836 kallephi Member Posts: 281 Arc User

    I do have the SotD. So I could upgrade that.
    With that being said, what Daily are you popping all the time then? Gates? or TC still? I have actually been using Brood because it casts so fast especially on single targets. I see no returns from TC/TT but I could just not be seeing it show up.

    If i'm not using the Wheel as my main, isn't there something better that could be slotted in there since i'm really only benefiting from the power. The plus 4000 hp is kind of meh IMO.

    I still use TC. I use it on things I know will not die in 2 seconds or when I'm ahead of the others from my group (position-wise) so I can actually get something from TC. I use it on many dungeons, but to get something from TC I need to stay ahead of the group and that makes me look desperate for paingiver, that's not the case, the case is I want to use my daily and I can't use it if the other dps in my group kill the mobs while I'm casting TC.
    TC is a huge deal in FBI. And a good deal in SVA if you have a low dps group.

    For the second daily, yes, I use brood of hadar because of the damage on the long run and because it's the fastest damage dealing daily we have.
    I swear I tried to use gates of hell, but the slow animation kills me. Sometimes you are in a good group, by the time you finish casting gates of hell, the mobs are already dead, so I prefer to run ahead and cast TC, or don't cast anything at all.

    Sigil of the devoted as your main because you gonna need TC always up for trash. I'm thinking about making myself a mythic wheel for single target bosses, but meh, I got the idea too late, now it's gonna take a while for the next double rp event.
    Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World
    Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
  • jaime4312#3760 jaime4312 Member Posts: 844 Arc User
    edited November 2016
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    How interesting, last x2 rp upgraded 4 artifacts to mythic on my sw and one of them is the dc's, could also get the wheel of elements to legendary, rank 113, I want to know which one could give me an overall dps so that's why I want the latter to be max rank by next x2 rp.

    So, dc's sigil for trash and wheel for bosses? That's and interesting idea, will definitely try it out when my stuff is ready.

    By the way, would you mind sharing your rotation for aoe and single target damage? I usually run PoP, arms, dreadteft, TC, BoH, ACC, FoE, Hellish rebuke and Eldritch blast to quicklt proc FoE which has the artifacr weapon bonus. I seldom unslot PoP, got so used to it I feel uncomfortable without it.
  • sledneck220#2698 sledneck220 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    My rotation has been pretty simple lately.
    Single target boss: wheel - curse - PoP, arms, KF, arms, BoH, HR
    Trash: wheel - curse highest hp mob - TC, PoP, arms, FB, arms, HR

    I might use HoB in close range for debuff on bosses but I don't normally.
    I don't like dreadteft any more because its active for so long. I don't think the debuff is worth the lack of damage and Action points I could be doing/gaining.

    I'll have to wait for the next DR to get my sigil of Devoted upgraded to do some testing with that.
  • diloul31diloul31 Member Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    If it can help low gs like me, here's my stuff and tbh at the moment it works like a charm !

    I'm doing way more dps than some locks with better GS and even doing better most of time than other dps class *_*

    I'm 2790 GS.
    During x2 event i had only one goal on my mind 60% or close arm pen and didnt care at all about power and crit.


    Yesterday on cn, a lock was 3000 gs with 20k power and 15 crit without bondings but 40% armpen with vorpal
    Me without bondings, i was 11k power 8k crit but 55% armpen with dread enchant r9, i did around 100 millions ( i didnt fight one of the boss) and he did 50 millions, enought said ^^

    In my opinion power and crit is kinda useless if you don"t have max armpen or close.
    Armpen should be 1st thing to max out then power/crit.
    (correct me if i'm wrong)

    I 'm tiefling con and cha mostly and i have :

    - all campaigns boons exept tyranny 6 and 7, no storm island at all and only one boon from guild (life steal.)
    - 2 dragon flight and 2 dusk, 145 ilvl elementary shirt and pant that that give crit/power/armpen/def.
    - sigil of devoted as main (awsome, almost perma dayly), lantern of revelation, tiamat orb and thayen book, all orange.
    Maybe someday i will get lucky and own an Orcus artefact and then... Then we'll see xD
    - dread enchant r9, and negation r8
    - all compagnons are very important in my opinion not only the bonded one : earth epic archon 6% more damage when you are full life ( you have full life most of time as a mid range class ^^), fire archon for extra when less than 50% ennemi hp, yeti, a crappy poisonous rat from market and green con artist with 1 r9 and 2 r8 bondings, rings from Mantol Derith seller with crappy r5 enchants...
    Exept earth archon epic, all pets green and one blue lol...
    -my weapon set is elementary earth.
    Only benefit is that you don't move that much with POP ( i went fix POP with dark revelry), so the resistance bonus from not moving 3s is ok i supose...
    With my actual gs, i'm hoping more people will let me mdemo with them for twisted set.
    Now that i have reach hard cap armpen i can focus on power/crit ^^

    So as you can see, there a lot of room for improvement with enchants and weapon set and yet i do hell of damage (pun intended) compared to other similar gs dps players.

    I don't understand why you hate hell gate, i litterally obliterate everything whit that shiit.
    I love it really because it is the only power that allow me to erase mobs before the rest of the group can deal real damage ( haha, for a change ! )
    When i see a group of mobs, i curse them on my way, i put POP and then hell gate and numbers are just crazy ! ( in cn coridors with a lot of trash, insane damage)


    I follow immediately whith fiery bolt ( dreadtheft suks in comparaison, yet i still see many locks using it on trash, waste encounter imo, not to mention interputions from ennemis).
    I only use tc when there is a mob that will last to share damage to his mates otherwhise i never ever use it, somtmetimes it cursed te wrong ennemi -_-'
    Hell gate only ^^ It's not easy to aim thought, but you learn eventually.

    I switch from fiery bolt to killing flames on bosses when they are alone.
    (even if i fail to really understand that power...)

    I hope this will help people with low gs as me to improve their DPS.

    I don't even want to try SB fury as my actual build is so great.


    I have to thank Kaphelli,Fernu, Daigo, Nastu, maybe others for their advices and intel sharing... ( i'm sorry for mixing names, i'm not sure who is who and maybe some are the same person but they will reconize themselves i hope)
    <3 guys ;)
    Post edited by diloul31 on
  • kallephi#0836 kallephi Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    diloul31 said:

    If it can help low gs like me, here's my stuff and tbh at the moment it works like a charm !



    I'm doing way more dps than some locks with better GS and even doing better most of time than other dps class *_*



    I'm 2790 GS.

    During x2 event i had only one goal on my mind 60% or close arm pen and didnt care at all about power and crit.





    Yesterday on cn, a lock was 3000 gs with 20k power and 15 crit without bondings but 40% armpen with vorpal

    Me without bondings, i was 11k power 8k crit but 55% armpen with dread enchant r9, i did around 100 millions ( i didnt fight one of the boss) and he did 50 millions, enought said ^^



    In my opinion power and crit is kinda useless if you don"t have max armpen or close.

    Armpen should be 1st thing to max out then power/crit.

    (correct me if i'm wrong)



    I 'm tiefling con and cha mostly and i have :



    - all campaigns boons exept tyranny 6 and 7, no storm island at all and only one boon from guild (life steal.)

    - 2 dragon flight and 2 dusk, 145 ilvl elementary shirt and pant that that give crit/power/armpen/def.

    - sigil of devoted as main (awsome, almost perma dayly), lantern of revelation, tiamat orb and thayen book, all orange.

    Maybe someday i will get lucky and own an Orcus artefact and then... Then we'll see xD

    - dread enchant r9, and negation r8

    - all compagnons are very important in my opinion not only the bonded one : earth epic archon 6% more damage when you are full life ( you have full life most of time as a mid range class ^^), fire archon for extra when less than 50% ennemi hp, yeti, a crappy poisonous rat from market and green con artist with 1 r9 and 2 r8 bondings, rings from Mantol Derith seller with crappy r5 enchants...

    Exept earth archon epic, all pets green and one blue lol...

    -my weapon set is elementary earth.

    Only benefit is that you don't move that much with POP ( i went fix POP with dark revelry), so the resistance bonus from not moving 3s is ok i supose...

    With my actual gs, i'm hoping more people will let me mdemo with them for twisted set.

    Now that i have reach hard cap armpen i can focus on power/crit ^^



    So as you can see, there a lot of room for improvement with enchants and weapon set and yet i do hell of damage (pun intended) compared to other similar gs dps players.



    I don't understand why you hate hell gate, i litterally obliterate everything whit that shiit.

    I love it really because it is the only power that allow me to erase mobs before the rest of the group can deal real damage ( haha, for a change ! )

    When i see a group of mobs, i curse them on my way, i put POP and then hell gate and numbers are just crazy ! ( in cn coridors with a lot of trash, insane damage)





    I follow immediately whith fiery bolt ( dreadtheft suks in comparaison, yet i still see many locks using it on trash, waste encounter imo, not to mention interputions from ennemis).

    I only use tc when there is a mob that will last to share damage to his mates otherwhise i never ever use it, somtmetimes it cursed te wrong ennemi -_-'

    Hell gate only ^^ It's not easy to aim thought, but you learn eventually.



    I switch from fiery bolt to killing flames on bosses when they are alone.

    (even if i fail to really understand that power...)



    I hope this will help people with low gs as me to improve their DPS.



    I don't even want to try SB fury as my actual build is so great.





    I have to thank Kaphelli,Fernu, Daigo, Nastu, maybe others for their advices and intel sharing... ( i'm sorry for mixing names, i'm not sure who is who and maybe some are the same person but they will reconize themselves i hope)

    <3 guys ;)

    If you run content with high skilled AND geared players (not only geared without skills) you might find out that your gates of hell will hit the vacuum because the animation is so slow that by the time it's cast the trash mobs are already dead.
    The damage is really nice, yes, for AOE...Brood of Hadar damage is better for single target, so..I see no reason to use it at all.
    You can use it on FBI, sure, there mobs take more time to die, but you gonna trade Tyrannical Curse for a single damage dealing daily...and in the long run Tyrannical Curse damage is better than Gates of Hell.

    If only the animation had the same speed of flames of phlegethos I would use it, but not now. I always favor TC.

    This is the reason I favor TC: https://youtu.be/lzfID-Wd8lg?t=2m52s

    It's just 400k damage spread along with 600k on the main target. I tried to find parts where I deal 1M, 2M with TC on other targets around but I guess it's not on this video. But you can check here.



    1.6M the biggest hit from TC in Master SVA, and I use TC only on trash so...yes, gates of hell could do that damage but, the range is small in my opinion, and still, the slow animation kills the skill in my opinion.

    Glad to see you are doing good with your toon ^^
    Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World
    Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
  • kallephi#0836 kallephi Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    @diloul31 This is the reason I love Tyrannical Curse

    That's a hit in damnation build. I'm preparing the videos and logs from Master SVA and FBI as damnation to post.
    Post edited by kallephi#0836 on
    Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World
    Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
  • jaime4312#3760 jaime4312 Member Posts: 844 Arc User
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    Regarding your toon, what do you think is the dps difference between fury and damnnation? What advantage does one have over the other?
  • kallephi#0836 kallephi Member Posts: 281 Arc User

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    Regarding your toon, what do you think is the dps difference between fury and damnnation? What advantage does one have over the other?

    I believe damnation is better for burst damage, like edemo fight, tiamat, cn bosses, the soul puppet damage is really solid.
    The problem is for bosses who move a lot like Hati and Drufi from FBI. Natsu and I did a FBI run together few hours ago, I didn't see any difference at all for AOE, I'd say damnation is even better as you don't really have time for creeping death to hit a lot.

    Like I said, on bosses who move a lot my dps is not as great as Fury because the Soul Puppet doesn't have 100% uptime on hits.

    At least for msva my dps as damnation was way higher than Fury (520k fury vs. 700k damnation), and 10% less than Fury in FBI (375k fury vs. 335k damnation). But difficult to say as we didn't have the exactly same people in both runs.
    Fury FBI run was with op, 2 dc (both running AA)....Damnation FBI run was with gf, 2 dc (1 running AA, the other running HG), so...it takes the exactly same group in the two different builds to realize.

    But one thing is easy to see...Fury is superior for bosses who move a lot, even Soulbinder Fury...but for stationary bosses or the ones who move less Damnation is superior at least for ME.

    I'm gonna put deep analysis on a new topic in a few hours.
    Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World
    Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
  • jaime4312#3760 jaime4312 Member Posts: 844 Arc User
    edited December 2016
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    Thank you for the detailed answer, I feel curious as of how my toon so would do if trying damnation so I may give it a try to see how it goes. I wonder if the puppet benefits from PoP, I'll see if I get to try it out.

    What's you recovery both unbuffed and buffed? I recently saw a warlock that had around 11,7k in a lonelywood HE farm and heard of another one when a friend told me he ran FBI with a sw that had around 14k. Would super high recovery be insuficient to make up for lack of power and crit?
  • kallephi#0836 kallephi Member Posts: 281 Arc User

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    Thank you for the detailed answer, I feel curious as of how my toon so would do if trying damnation so I may give it a try to see how it goes. I wonder if the puppet benefits from PoP, I'll see if I get to try it out.



    What's you recovery both unbuffed and buffed? I recently saw a warlock that had around 11,7k in a lonelywood HE farm and heard of another one when a friend told me he ran FBI with a sw that had around 14k. Would super high recovery be insuficient to make up for lack of power and crit?

    My unbuffed recovery is 2,052, the only time it goes up is during Artificer's Persuasion and on a msva run I did today with a very good group I got recovery to 13.7k.
    I'd say, always aim for power and crit first..recovery is a secondary stat in my opinion.
    I'm kinda new to the game, I know how to play my toon and that's all...this Damnation test is the first thing I've tried after I started playing. I believe @fernuu could probably have the answer for you.
    Ly'saaera, Hellbringer Fury Scourge Warlock of Thieves World
    Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
  • diloul31diloul31 Member Posts: 250 Arc User
    i see ^^
    Thanks a ton for all the precisions :)
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