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etelgrin
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Hey,
On the said example is same group, we runned Master Svardborg and I saved /combatlog 1
Later on I went to analyze my personal results. My Scourge Warlock similarly geared to HR - bonding pets, trans enchant in weapon, bis things on bonding companion.
After continued nerfs to Scourge Warlock this is sad reality on how DPS Striker class performs.
Lets carry on, we all had similar power score more or less cause its impossible to inspect everybody in game. I give my example.
Then after checking deeper, where is the logic in this madness if my CLASS STRONGEST DAMAGING CAPSTONE is weaker than a COMPANION
Example I:
And again lets check whats inside this damage:
Example II:
Then again, most of the time, this is nothing other no my class potential nothing that SW ITSELF was buffed, thanks to this darn companion I only stay viable, not even my strongest CLASS PASSIVES gives me as much boost as this one silly thing.
Are you sure this is well done balance? Class is only performing as good as the Infantile Compensation hits, without it we are left with more or less pretty much average capstone, we are not only missing damage in PvP, in PvE this isn't looking great and I haven't done "hardcore" PvE in a while, this is very disheartening to observe.
@amenar @mimicking#6533
On the said example is same group, we runned Master Svardborg and I saved /combatlog 1
Later on I went to analyze my personal results. My Scourge Warlock similarly geared to HR - bonding pets, trans enchant in weapon, bis things on bonding companion.
After continued nerfs to Scourge Warlock this is sad reality on how DPS Striker class performs.
Lets carry on, we all had similar power score more or less cause its impossible to inspect everybody in game. I give my example.
Then after checking deeper, where is the logic in this madness if my CLASS STRONGEST DAMAGING CAPSTONE is weaker than a COMPANION
Example I:
And again lets check whats inside this damage:
Example II:
Then again, most of the time, this is nothing other no my class potential nothing that SW ITSELF was buffed, thanks to this darn companion I only stay viable, not even my strongest CLASS PASSIVES gives me as much boost as this one silly thing.
Are you sure this is well done balance? Class is only performing as good as the Infantile Compensation hits, without it we are left with more or less pretty much average capstone, we are not only missing damage in PvP, in PvE this isn't looking great and I haven't done "hardcore" PvE in a while, this is very disheartening to observe.
@amenar @mimicking#6533
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than a bugged companion) so without bugs SW is nothing.
Also I whould like to see what such overpowered damage has HR.
why the DPS class that ably to do a 1-2 mil. damage by ONE hit is weaker than hunter's pew -pew .
trapper is a supporting path
GF is a support but i seen a GF, ok with 3.5+ but in party of 3k DPS classes he done biggest damagem why? where it's damage degragation as support?
Aura of Courage constitutes to 17% of damage output for HR, and only 6% for SW.
Careful attack responsible for another 14% damage for HR. 0% for SW.
HR has evidence of use of Wheel of Elements (fire), does HR have said artifact as primary one or was it accidental touch ? HR also has rings of Brutality and Sudden Precision.
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Forget it.
Thorned Roots its a trapper feat. And it was too much, when Tanks was bursted damage by over%% with Into the Fray
so it still overbusted on new skirmish when buffs are realy hard.
it works the same Thorned Roots and Owlbear on SW. and on logs there is one effectiveness ~270-300%
but seems like Roots have a biggest base damage and absorb more buffs (you can't hit bu 1kk with Owlbear, but HR with its roots can do it).
go SB if you want to be dps.
and u should definitly work on your crit chance.
I ran a master sva with you few days ago. It was a fail group but we brought the boss down to 40% IIRC and your damage was half of mine. I'm not here to offend you or to say I'm better than you. We have almost the same ilvl.
But you're underperforming. You could do more with your toon with the right setup.
I agree with you that in certain way we need the owlbear to get a dps boost and that's not fair. I agree with your statement saying that we are not where we should be (dps-wise). But you still got things to do to improve your damage.
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
But I understand now, you're a pvp player, so you don't want to spend and grind for a perfect PVE toon. I see.
One day I might want to try PVP, I'll send you a message xD
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
Buffing CD more only leeds to a bigger gap between fury and the rest.
I think overall DPS needs to be buffed.
1. You have a PvP build and post how others outdpsed you as SW while there are PvE SWd that more or less beat anything and everything.
Later you add "Oh yeah, I don't actually intend to PvE or optimize, so my comparison in the first post doesn't have anything with the topic" so huh?
2. You take the most beneficial case for your baby owlbear (buffed by DC) and compare it to your capstone while having low crit?
And even then considering the owl will hit 100k unmitigated damage and you show that it's bugged, it supposed to hit on the first hit of the encounter but you have 4 - 6 hits in a row (unless suddenly you have less than 5 sec CD encounters or 5-7 of them, looks like a bug)
So a simple solution, lets fix the owl cub, so it will be lower than the capstone. And you can swap to PvE so you wont be outdpsed by lower geared people.
All problems solved.
Or we can fix DC power sharing... elol set was higher than TR capstone, majority of GWF damage - higher than the 21% or so the pet has in your case. Same with CW. It was fixed....
And here, it's today's strip, so I can't help it but post it:
Tbh this was predictable to happen, and in my case I am not surprised at all. HB had his short period of shining and now disappears again to be beaten by another paragon with better survivabilty and more dps.
I am not sure if SB is top dps atm, I guess it´s not if you compare them vs top GWF´s and top CW´s, but maybe someone will prove me wrong.
Owl bear will be fixed for Warlockclass, as it was for other classes. In my case lolset was up to 30% from GWF overalldamage as far as I remember.
All in all it is about PVP and the fact that HB - fury (OP) needs a buff to be more competetive against other classes with high burst. Fury capstone would be a key to solve this, it get´s mitigated in PVP twice atm. so make it piercing was the other option...wich will lead to a huge outcry of the 3 or 4 remaining PVP pros ingame
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
So what the thread is about ?
Your capstone is over 20% of your overall damage! This is probably one of the highest damaging capstones in the game. Reduce the owl damage and the capstone will be even higher in percent overall.
You have not two procs but about 7 in sequence in some cases.
When the Lostmauth set was discussed you asked for it to be adjusted to be affected by all SW skills, and hence be more powerful than the capstone. What the difference now ? You have something that works exceptional well with your class and you complain it's over-preforming. As I've said, if it's over-preforming, it should be fixed.
Show ACT where you are not over buffed by a DC. One with the normal ~60k power. And lets see what you have as highest damage.
if it's a simple issue of DPS:
1. Capstone that does more than 20% of the total damage is comparable to other classes, in most cases even significantly more. So I don't see the issue here.
2. In terms of total dps, I can't tell you the path or build, sorry, haven't played SW for ages, and never a lot when did try it. But there are some that can be on par or outdps everything else. So it's not a class issue. The class has viable PvE build.
3. If you mean the entire path, if there is a viable dps, somewhat viable healloc, then either this should be what ?
if i'ts a mix of buff and dps and has a capstone that does over 20%, that sounds not bad at all. And put it in a good mix of good dps while buffing.
If it's not buffing and you are looking for another dps path, then again I don't see how the capstone is an issue. Perhaps looking at a better feat synergy and making another viable rotation but making a capstone over 30% or so of overall dps, will create a broken and imbalanced path by itself. And I think yours is over that already if you run without the power buff external buff.
But yes, everything else aside, if the viable PvE path rely on the owl, to do most of the work, then it's a problem. And limits the viability of the class significantly.
I think the best will be to compare a PvE build, one of those that kick everyone HAMSTER, and adjust by that, and no I don't mean nerf specifically, but if it's based on total gain from the cub, then as I've said, it's a problem.