Damnation's role

onewingedmenace · October 2016

Hi it's me again, the crazy guy who still wants to play damnation.
Im just wondering, what IS damnation's role now? Fury is power, temptation is heals/buffs, where does that leave damnation?
I remember in the feat description it mentions supporting other players and debuffing enemies but where are these skills? There's dreadtheft etc sure but there's nothing that damnation can do, that the other two feat trees can't do better. Which if is the case, shows damnation needs to be looked at again and adjusted accordingly, right now it's just the feat tree nobody will touch with a 10 foot pole and that makes me sad.

hadestemplar · October 2016

Lets see,

By looking to feats only, regardles gear/companions/mounts.

Dps/damage output
Fury is top, temtptation is in bottom. So damnation is in middle.
Survivability - temptation is top, fury is bottom. damnation is in middle.

So I assume damnation is the best one who love do stuff solo.
Enough to see that unlike other sw builds, you will have soul pupet up all time, on top companion. Combined dps output is great, and on top damnation have more survivability tools/feats.

Now in party, if you SB you are more striker, if you are HB you can also be as support/dps, due PoP power.

And one of cool parts with damnation, is that your warlock don't have to stand in middle of fight, you can stay in range, while your soul pupet does all job. Imagine fight with orcus, you hit him from range, while soul pupet along tank companion fight in close range....

After I back from vacation, I think I will respect to damnaton, to see what it can do.

flowcyto · October 2016

I'm not a high-end player atm, but of my 16 toons, my HB Damnation Lock is def one of the better ones to grind with- up there w/ my HB Fury Lock. It may not be as optimal dps as Fury (never really was even before mod10 either, depending on gear and playstyle), but it can still be good. I'm not quite sure why there's all this doom-and-gloom regarding the spec now.

onewingedmenace · October 2016

flowcyto said:
I'm not a high-end player atm, but of my 16 toons, my HB Damnation Lock is def one of the better ones to grind with- up there w/ my HB Fury Lock. It may not be as optimal dps as Fury (never really was even before mod10 either, depending on gear and playstyle), but it can still be good. I'm not quite sure why there's all this doom-and-gloom regarding the spec now.

I can accept that it may not be as strong as fury, but others cant, I have seen damnation warlocks getting kicked/excluded from CN MDemo runs, just for being damnation.. it has nothing unique going for it right now. I would like to see that changed..

onewingedmenace · October 2016

onewingedmenace#5432 said:
Hi it's me again, the crazy guy who still wants to play damnation.
Im just wondering, what IS damnation's role now? Fury is power, temptation is heals/buffs, where does that leave damnation?
I remember in the feat description it mentions supporting other players and debuffing enemies but where are these skills? There's dreadtheft etc sure but there's nothing that damnation can do, that the other two feat trees can't do better. Which if is the case, shows damnation needs to be looked at again and adjusted accordingly, right now it's just the feat tree nobody will touch with a 10 foot pole and that makes me sad.

bloodyspamer said:
Lets see,

By looking to feats only, regardles gear/companions/mounts.

Dps/damage output
Fury is top, temtptation is in bottom. So damnation is in middle.
Survivability - temptation is top, fury is bottom. damnation is in middle.

So I assume damnation is the best one who love do stuff solo.
Enough to see that unlike other sw builds, you will have soul pupet up all time, on top companion. Combined dps output is great, and on top damnation have more survivability tools/feats.

Now in party, if you SB you are more striker, if you are HB you can also be as support/dps, due PoP power.

And one of cool parts with damnation, is that your warlock don't have to stand in middle of fight, you can stay in range, while your soul pupet does all job. Imagine fight with orcus, you hit him from range, while soul pupet along tank companion fight in close range....

After I back from vacation, I think I will respect to damnaton, to see what it can do.

Fury can easily wipe the floor with damnation though, all while providing buffs from PoP and/or dark revelry.. after switching to fury I have not once had a damnation come even close to my DPS, usually 20-30m+ difference which sucks. Also even with a puppet and a strong companion out they wont even come close to a good fury, they're just... meh now, totally mediocre at best.

Please give me a reason to respec back to damnation, I picked warlock just so I could play a cool looking pet class and deal good damage, Fury's damage is amazing but I did not sign up for a melee class.. I never play melee classes and the classes fun factor for me has gone down the tubes..

flowcyto · October 2016

You can still spec for Dark Rev as Damnation. It won't be optimal for personal dps or survival, but its a similar story to getting DR as Fury. This is while also being able to get Power of the Nine Hades for mobility (PoP doesn't need it to buff others, afaik, but it does mean you can reposition more freely regardless of where PoP is and its cd)

hadestemplar · October 2016

onewingedmenace#5432 said:

I can accept that it may not be as strong as fury, but others cant, I have seen damnation warlocks getting kicked/excluded from CN MDemo runs, just for being damnation.. it has nothing unique going for it right now. I would like to see that changed..

When I respected to temptation SW in mod 10. I was kicked from many parties, only because my dps where not high. however these morrons didn't get that I buffed, healer and debuffed monsters in dungeons all time. For guys who exclude specifict build character I always have option. Which is I give them middle finger.

onewingedmenace#5432 said:

Fury can easily wipe the floor with damnation though, all while providing buffs from PoP and/or dark revelry.. after switching to fury I have not once had a damnation come even close to my DPS, usually 20-30m+ difference which sucks. Also even with a puppet and a strong companion out they wont even come close to a good fury, they're just... meh now, totally mediocre at best.

Please give me a reason to respec back to damnation, I picked warlock just so I could play a cool looking pet class and deal good damage, Fury's damage is amazing but I did not sign up for a melee class.. I never play melee classes and the classes fun factor for me has gone down the tubes..

I would not say that fury fury could wipe floor with damnation sw easily. If you have ever played other mmorpg where is class summoner/tammer. Who use companions, summons for fight. You would understand of way how it goes.
For example, damnation soul pupet is way stronger than default one which have temptation and fury. So during fight fury will had to deal not with 1 enemy but with 2 in same way. If he attack soul pupet, sw will hit you. if you hit sw, soul pupet will hit you. Its not so easy as it looks like.
Also dmg wise damnation is not so far from fury. After all soul pupet will deal decent damage, and combined with warlocks you get nice damage output, and on top you have temptation sw survivability.

One thing you must understand. Dps is not only matter. Due blind run to do dps, lot of guys makes glass cannons, which are cool for moment. But once enemy hit back, they die after couple slaps. Also who cares about damage numbers in the end of dungeons..? What do you prefer, extra 2kk damage score or complete dungeon?
Lot of guys once enter dungeon went blind score hunting. Cw, gwf or other ones rush to hit as many score they can, but due blind rush cause party fail.

One of examples i remember is when with temptation warlock in eTos guys complained about my dps. And some even suggested me to quit.. So I simplt for couple minutes went afk, stand away from them and watched how they all die. after their 5 times attempts to face boss, they stopped complain about my temptation sw. I not only healed but also tanked there..

reason why you should respect to damnation.. If you like most of players, who look to high dps only, then damnation is not for you. Because this build have slighgtly diferent gamplay. And its require different way to fight/utilize warlocks powers..

onewingedmenace · October 2016

Eh, respeced to SB damnation.. damage isn't amazing but it just feels right.

fernuu · October 2016

Fury just has too many feats increasing damage with CD on top of that. You won't get somewhere near DPS wise and usability wise with Damnation (unless you gonna take Dark Revelry instead 3 Fury / Full Damnation). As damnation you probably will lose ~30-40% od Fury's damage.

onewingedmenace · October 2016

fernuu said:
Fury just has too many feats increasing damage with CD on top of that. You won't get somewhere near DPS wise and usability wise with Damnation (unless you gonna take Dark Revelry instead 3 Fury / Full Damnation). As damnation you probably will lose ~30-40% od Fury's damage.

Which is why Im saying damnation in terms of usability has been left in the dust and they need to go back and do something with it.

schietindebux · October 2016

At least you may have Combat advantage most time, having a puppet and a melee companion

Since Creeping death was buffed significantly , it is not to beat. Fury is easy to play since curseconsum is nearly banned, and I am glad about that silly classmechanic, wich allways disappeared and needed to be refresehed, silly stupid tab spamming hamster-gameplay

Anyway, reading the patch notes on preview 29/10 every warlock will have issues getting invites to a party.
1. I predict a big damageloss upcoming with the next mod. effectiveness like 150% , not 400%
2. And I predict, that the hole class will be from minor interest by that.

This little change will result in a very, very big effect on the hole class. Effectivness will fall from 230%+ to 130% average solo, and in a group it will get worse I assume, this is a 100% damagedrop, every CW will easily beat you 100% all time, not to talk about GWF.
I advice everyone to look for alternative classes in mod 10.5 .
I spend some time with my GWF again... that class can do good with all those selfbuffs enhancing his base dps x6 and more and those feats like Steely Defence and Disciple of ware, granting you 20-25% of stats as a powerbonus.

onewingedmenace · October 2016

schietindebux said:
At least you may have Combat advantage most time, having a puppet and a melee companion
Since Creeping death was buffed significantly , it is not to beat. Fury is easy to play since curseconsum is nearly banned, and I am glad about that silly classmechanic, wich allways disappeared and needed to be refresehed, silly stupid tab spamming hamster-gameplay

Anyway, reading the patch notes on preview 29/10 every warlock will have issues getting invites to a party.
1. I predict a big damageloss upcoming with the next mod. effectiveness like 150% , not 400%
2. And I predict, that the hole class will be from minor interest by that.

This little change will result in a very, very big effect on the hole class. Effectivness will fall from 230%+ to 130% average solo, and in a group it will get worse I assume, this is a 100% damagedrop, every CW will easily beat you 100% all time, not to talk about GWF.
I advice everyone to look for alternative classes in mod 10.5 .
I spend some time with my GWF again... that class can do good with all those selfbuffs enhancing his base dps x6 and more and those feats like Steely Defence and Disciple of ware, granting you 20-25% of stats as a powerbonus.

They decided TT wasn't broken enough and are gonna make it even crappier? I ONLY use it on bosses as it is!

schietindebux · October 2016

onewingedmenace#5432 said:

schietindebux said:
At least you may have Combat advantage most time, having a puppet and a melee companion
Since Creeping death was buffed significantly , it is not to beat. Fury is easy to play since curseconsum is nearly banned, and I am glad about that silly classmechanic, wich allways disappeared and needed to be refresehed, silly stupid tab spamming hamster-gameplay

Anyway, reading the patch notes on preview 29/10 every warlock will have issues getting invites to a party.
1. I predict a big damageloss upcoming with the next mod. effectiveness like 150% , not 400%
2. And I predict, that the hole class will be from minor interest by that.

This little change will result in a very, very big effect on the hole class. Effectivness will fall from 230%+ to 130% average solo, and in a group it will get worse I assume, this is a 100% damagedrop, every CW will easily beat you 100% all time, not to talk about GWF.
I advice everyone to look for alternative classes in mod 10.5 .
I spend some time with my GWF again... that class can do good with all those selfbuffs enhancing his base dps x6 and more and those feats like Steely Defence and Disciple of ware, granting you 20-25% of stats as a powerbonus.
They decided TT wasn't broken enough and are gonna make it even crappier? I ONLY use it on bosses as it is!

This daily will disappear that way I am sure.
Hellbringer will use Hellgate, soulbinder won´t slot it anymore I guess, better to go for IS.
The buff causes a 20% damage increase, like warlocks curse-> no nede to waste it on single target.
Hellbringer will be from no interest anymore since no crazy KF-hits and Soulbinder will be the only option in terms of dps-spec I am sure, using Immolation Spirits and Soul Scorch to focus, but SB is gonna lose against almost every GWF, CW, Hunter at same level/skill.

onewingedmenace · October 2016

Brood and IS it is then.. gg devs.

onewingedmenace · November 2016

So I still can't think of a good word to describe the damnation path, Fury is Power, Temptation is healing/support.. what is damnation other than the obligatory pet class? Lol

tom · November 2016

U alrdy found the name

cwoody2020 · November 2016

onewingedmenace#5432 said:
So I still can't think of a good word to describe the damnation path, Fury is Power, Temptation is healing/support.. what is damnation other than the obligatory pet class? Lol

You just described it, "Damned". I feel so betrayed after building up my Damed SW and for what? I'm going to start looking for a new game. Neverwinter has dropped to 2/5 stars on the mmorpg rankings. No wonder.

silverkelt · November 2016

damnation is totally dead. Sorry , there really is no place left in the game for it. Temptation offers so much better survivability and if your just soloing junk you can sit around and kill things without ever dying, the damage difference is more or less neg-liable due to this. Damnation doesnt really offer any more dps then temptation does, the soul puppet is too slow and before they altarted it, most of the dps came out of buffing up the pet in buff groups. That really hasnt changed, other then the made it impossible to get those large swipes from it.

Fury is for those who want to actually dps (or try to, in the upcoming changes altars things) .

Damnation was my favorite build.. mostly because you could dps without investing a ton of AD into the SW class..

I still quite miss it.

overall, because SW isnt a main of mine, I hate the changes, despise them. I went templock, but there really is no place for that class either.

You either have to be prepared to throw all your enchants into the SW to main it, or let it sit now, its more or less useless at mid i levels.

However, I think they are trying to make this happen on all the classes, thats what the reworks look like to me.

onewingedmenace · November 2016

silverkelt said:
damnation is totally dead. Sorry , there really is no place left in the game for it. Temptation offers so much better survivability and if your just soloing junk you can sit around and kill things without ever dying, the damage difference is more or less neg-liable due to this. Damnation doesnt really offer any more dps then temptation does, the soul puppet is too slow and before they altarted it, most of the dps came out of buffing up the pet in buff groups. That really hasnt changed, other then the made it impossible to get those large swipes from it.

Fury is for those who want to actually dps (or try to, in the upcoming changes altars things) .

Damnation was my favorite build.. mostly because you could dps without investing a ton of AD into the SW class..

I still quite miss it.

overall, because SW isnt a main of mine, I hate the changes, despise them. I went templock, but there really is no place for that class either.

You either have to be prepared to throw all your enchants into the SW to main it, or let it sit now, its more or less useless at mid i levels.

However, I think they are trying to make this happen on all the classes, thats what the reworks look like to me.

My GS is 2900 and I have 9/10 enchantments so far, I dislike HB fury, already have a DC so that rules out a templock, and SB fury doesn't feel as fun as fighting with the puppet does, so I guess that's it.
Will transfer what I can over to my DC and forget this class.

darkan · November 2016

Really im prefery be damnation but now its very hard competitive other class dps (if thats competitive i have see DC and gf dps that do more damage than me

). i like style play perahaps not be good dps but whit my current build damnation always be 3° damage paingiver top

onewingedmenace · November 2016

darkan#3756 said:
Really im prefery be damnation but now its very hard competitive other class dps (if thats competitive i have see DC and gf dps that do more damage than me ). i like style play perahaps not be good dps but whit my current build damnation always be 3° damage paingiver top

In fights with lots of people like Mdemo thats pretty good, in dungeons though you just start looking like dead weight.

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