Counter to Piercing damage

santralafax · October 2016

Two classes have piercing damage, TR and HR. Shouldn't a stackable stat exist for countering this? Control Resistance is good (to a degree) against CW and SW. Crit resistance is the counter to criticals. Why should these two classes have a magical damage type that cannot be countered?

demonmonger · October 2016

Because it cannot be blocked... just don't get hit.

santralafax · October 2016

The definition of a critical hit is that it does more damage. However, somehow a counter to it was created.

jackanuckox3 · October 2016

It it very easy to dodge, both, shocking as well as Hr attacks. But if you are a GWF or SW ... stack your Hp up and pray.

trentbail21 · October 2016

jackanuckox3 said:
It it very easy to dodge, both, shocking as well as Hr attacks. But if you are a GWF or SW ... stack your Hp up and pray.

Which is wrong I might add.

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santralafax · October 2016

jackanuckox3 said:
It it very easy to dodge, both, shocking as well as Hr attacks. But if you are a GWF or SW ... stack your Hp up and pray.

I wasn't really seeking advice. I was making a proposal.

macjae said:

santralafax said:
Two classes have piercing damage, TR and HR. Shouldn't a stackable stat exist for countering this? Control Resistance is good (to a degree) against CW and SW. Crit resistance is the counter to criticals. Why should these two classes have a magical damage type that cannot be countered?
The flip side of the piercing damage issue is that Destroyer GWFs are too tanky against other classes or builds.

But wouldn't a stackable counter to piercing bring things to the middle? Control resistance by no means makes CW's less of a repel threat, but it mitigates to a degree.

santralafax · October 2016

clonkyo1 said:
The problem isn't that piercing damage can't not be mitigated. The problem with Piercing damage is the amount of damage it can deal and, also, in the amount of time it can proc on Hr's case. (talking about HR right now) 5k of piercing damage per hit per second is not a problem. 12k piercing damage per tick, 5 ticks on 1 second is unbearable for most classes. 100k piercing damage from S.E. is not a problem is the TR can't deal any other kind of burst piercing damage any longer until S.E. is ready again (which should have a "2 mins" CD) . 200k damage per S.E. each 30 secs is not tolerable at all.

TL; DR : Piercing Damage needs a tone down for good and for sure.

I'd be happy with a tone down, though I don't think there should be a completely unmitigate-able damage type at all. Otherwise, do away with tenacity altogether.

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rayrdan · October 2016

i dont get it really, would be any different to have a TR with GF/GWF encounter/at will burst?
i mean i would sign for it right now and maybe even pay for it.
do we want to start a petition?
"please nerf shocking and give tr the same burst a gf/gwf can do with their other tools?"
like to name one 80k impact shots? ( similar to griffon graths)

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plavia · October 2016

I think you can deflect anything include piercing damage, as many said before its the best stat for PVP (beside tenacity)

when delaling with HR, i switch my encounters to do more healing and more debuff (DC: break the spirit or geas)

TR is one deadly hit. you have to watch for it. i think even here deflect can help (more then HP i belive)

HR are harder now but its still new. Iet's wait for other classes balance to see the final picture.

fuxion · October 2016

plavia said:
HR are harder now but its still new. Iet's wait for other classes balance to see the final picture.

Seems fair , but when ?

Example : Control Wizard (CW) cant kill other BIS players just Control.

HR used to be like this ...but at least now have CC and DPS path one can choose / follow.

IF CW gets a rework (increase base damage) we should be good ...also CWs has no way to counter SWs melting them 1v1

CW - most squishy class being also weakest in terms of dps ? doesnt make sense at all.

we need more killing in pvp for sure ... in pmvspm its now just about rotations ....thts not pvp ..its more a race to nodes game.

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silver11 · October 2016

what does itc have to do with piercing damage lol if you wanted itc taken away (the one survivability encounter a tr has) then replace it with something. stealth heals tr? a free dodge? a shield? immunity? you know, the things afforded to every other class. stealth itself is not an acceptable way to survive as you can still get hurt. anyway on topic, piercing from hrs and trs are completely different. trs use a daily! should it be spammable? nope. tell that to the devs who made dc sigil, fire weapons, flail snail, and overall high ap gain. ill tell everyone a secret they may not know: each class isnt supposed to be equal on everything. balanced yes, equal no. what i mean is a dc shouldnt be able to dps at the same level a gwf can. gwf shouldnt be able to tank as well as a gf etc. etc. there are these "roles" that we are supposed to accept when choosing specific characters. yes i am all for stepping outside of that role for personal reasons, but also know there are limits. trs are good in pvp because they are 1v1 experts. hrs are great at stopping movement and holding the battlefield. these are roles. piercing damage should exist. if it didnt, there would be no death in pvp at bis levels. this is also balance. as someone else hinted at, git gud.

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