TR PvE Current State

caveck · August 2016

How are TR's pve wise?
I see a lot of stuff about Pvp for them, but not very much on pve. Is there a reason for that?
Are TR's up to par with other dps classes (equally geared)? I know it depends on the gear/build. But generally.
Also, are TR's wanted in groups? Do they bring anything beneficial for teams?
I have a bad reputation of choosing the class in games that is usually very underpowered. I'm not saying I just want whatever's best, I just don't want to spend hours on a class that is substatially less strong than other classes with the same gear.

harryk · August 2016

I built one around the 2200 Item lvl now, and though a fun class it is a tad weak and requires perfect execution and a great ping. it has decent crowd control now not as good as a control wiz but it's not bad. W here it lacks is the stealth, which is more or less used as a damage multiplier. So it isn't a true stealth class. Stealth can last 5-6 sec or so and if you really try for it a few more at a sacrifice to damage if specced as such, but you cannot really do any real damage while under stealth you have to pretty much pop out of it.
Tr would be much more balanced if they gave them a few more seconds of stealth till it runs out lets say 9 sec to begin with.
They are still fun and viable in the right hands and great connection but all else being equal they are now weaker than the rest.

As always class balances usually go a little far the other way.
I recommend it, you will have fun.

ravenskya · August 2016

In PVE if I am in the open world, I have very little issues with bosses/big baddies. I have a lot of difficulty with any groups of mobs that have stun effects. (the winter wolves were a nightmare when I was on that level). It is very difficult to solo (not impossible but must harder than my Pally) since you will be drawing all the aggro. Also my TR is squishy. Oh and stealth isn't actually stealth. If you are alone, only the weakest of mobs can't see you in stealth, so don't plan on using that for a big escape.

If I have one other person with me - then I'm completely fine. It doesn't even matter if it's another TR, it's just that one other person to pull the 100% of aggro off of you long enough to do something.

Dungeons the TR is fine, because you have the other people with you.

shyuuga · August 2016

A TR is awesome. Always find myself at the top of the damage board for dungeons or skirmishes beating people out by 2 to 5 million damage.

You can go a couple different ways with a TR. I went with an executioner and love it. Shadow of demise is an awesome ability for pvp or pve content. Basically you hit an enemy while in stealth with an encounter and for the next 6 seconds it will tally all the damage you deal to the target. At the end of the 6 seconds the target takes half of the total damage dealt in one shot as piercing damage.

I have my self set up to be in stealth almost 100% of the time (1 sec here or there to re enter stealth) and can chain up to 2, sometimes 3 daily powers at once.

My only warning is you don't want to be hit. I generally don't have that issue because of stealth. Just saying the class is squishy.

I have a lvl 70 TR, 61 GWF and 60 HR, of them I like playing my TR the most and have made it my main as such.

Any questions please ask. Hope this helps.

chiefcham · August 2016

I mainly play PvE and have spec'd my TR for DPS and survivability and have no problem open world and even in the solo dungeons where many LFG for help. I group up for those when someone needs help and to speed it up, but if I have to I don't hesitate to solo. But this is the most fun class for me as my play style includes ranged and melee.

ravenskya · August 2016

Perhaps I should respec as Executioner, most of the people I talk to who have higher DPS and Survivability seem to have gone that route. I find my build is great in groups as it's mainly CC and debuff but weaker than I would like on DPS/solo ability

edited because I can't spell

caveck · August 2016

Thanks everyone. I forgot to mention that I'll be playing with my girlfriend who is rolling with CW, which from what we've read does good aoe. So I'm thinking with her aoe, and my lack of aoe but heavy single target/stuns will synchronize pretty well together. Thoughts?

ileopsoas666 · August 2016

@shyuuga#2380 : how can u be so often in stealth??

caveck · August 2016

I've started following Sunny's MI executor build. I've read up a lot on how gwf's, SW's, CW's, and HR's do a lot more damage than TRs in pve.. But I'm going to just stick with it and hope for the best.

shyuuga · August 2016

I used his guide till I figured it all out for my self and went from there. TR does have good single target and some aoe damage/stuns. The class will work well with a CW in pvp for sure. Pve will be fine till epic dungeons because then you will need a tank to draw aggro. Good luck. Hope you have fun.

shyuuga · August 2016

@ileopsoas666

The final ability in the executioner tree will allow you to build stealth 20% faster.

I have an ability that allows me to recharge stealth when I use a daily power.

My daily power can recharge instantly 25% of the time. Exception being shocking execution which will recharge instantly after use for me. But not the 2nd time in a row.

I have points in recovery that allows me to build my daily faster and will recharge my encounters faster.

I have an ability that will cut time off my encounter cool downs when entering stealth.

One of my encounters that I use gives me a free stealth bar.

So with a good rotation I can be in stealth using encounters and daily abilities indefinitely till the target dies.

mebengalsfan · August 2016

harryk#3230 said:
I built one around the 2200 Item lvl now, and though a fun class it is a tad weak and requires perfect execution and a great ping. it has decent crowd control now not as good as a control wiz but it's not bad. W here it lacks is the stealth, which is more or less used as a damage multiplier. So it isn't a true stealth class. Stealth can last 5-6 sec or so and if you really try for it a few more at a sacrifice to damage if specced as such, but you cannot really do any real damage while under stealth you have to pretty much pop out of it.
Tr would be much more balanced if they gave them a few more seconds of stealth till it runs out lets say 9 sec to begin with.
They are still fun and viable in the right hands and great connection but all else being equal they are now weaker than the rest.

As always class balances usually go a little far the other way.
I recommend it, you will have fun.

I played a TR and the best way to play is going stealth full stealth. Combat Advantage is your friend as a rogue, so getting anything to ensure you have CA almost all the time benefits TR greatly and you know what triggers CA, stealth and other TR abilities.

Going pure damage with knives is not how to play a rogue, you are missing out on CA. Rogues are cunning and stealthly, going any other route IMO you hinder your class. I was hitting between 45-75K regularly at level 60 as a TR in EE.

shanx989 · August 2016

I'm a 2.6k ilvl TR never had issues in open world pve . Dodge is your best friend for boss fights. Doesn't natter what class you are some attacks will 1 hit you so learn to dodge.

In dungeons like ETOS EDEMO etc before I used be around 2nd to 4th pain giver in party.

After tweaking my build and following Sunny guide. I'm 95% 1st pain giver in dungeons by a huge margin. I'm talking 15 mill + and this is against some 3k+ gwf / sw / cw etc.

It's not always about ilvl but how you use your build. TR rocks in 1 vs 1 so use that to your advantage, go for the highest he mob and lay the smack down lol

ravenskya · August 2016

I respec'ed my TR the day before yesterday. I'm working on getting used to her new moves. I miss some of the ones I left behind but she does seem to hold up much better than before, and she appears to be doing more damage. I have okay gear - IL 2200ish (though not all of it is the right gear) but she does seem to be much more functional. I haven't taken her into a dungeon yet with my new build (stayed with Whisperknife) so I'm interested in seeing how that goes. Made it through all of my Dailys for Brunor, the Dread Ring, and the Harpers without incident - just me and my panther companion.

mebengalsfan · August 2016

shanx989#1017 said:
I'm a 2.6k ilvl TR never had issues in open world pve . Dodge is your best friend for boss fights. Doesn't natter what class you are some attacks will 1 hit you so learn to dodge.

In dungeons like ETOS EDEMO etc before I used be around 2nd to 4th pain giver in party.

After tweaking my build and following Sunny guide. I'm 95% 1st pain giver in dungeons by a huge margin. I'm talking 15 mill + and this is against some 3k+ gwf / sw / cw etc.

It's not always about ilvl but how you use your build. TR rocks in 1 vs 1 so use that to your advantage, go for the highest he mob and lay the smack down lol

This....I don't care if you have an IL of 4K. If you don't have the right gear and are using the wrong abilities you will not perform and will be added to ignore.

I'm a DC and I have out DPS many higher IL pure DPS classes and you know what I also act as a tank and healer all while doing the damage.

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