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imperiousshiniimperiousshini Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 199 Arc User
And once upon a time i set my eyes on a fabulous Glorious Resurgence Epic Artifacts Pack.
We met when it was still 100k bid. And fate bound us together.. I decided not to mark it and I watched everyday grow until it matured to 200k.

Therefore I decided I wanted it to be mine, I would finally give my alts the attention they needed.
I wanted to be the last one to bid his hand on it, and so I decided to bid my money 250123 on it the last 4s.

To my surprise I saw that the option to bid close on the 10s-12s and the button could not be triggered, I felt bad, in my desperation to claim my beloved epic artifacts pack I gave it more than half my belonging and I shoot the bid at 400k . It was still unresponsive.
I watched the agonizing last moment of it expire and I saw the bid close at 200k.

To my extreme disappointment I decided to learn how to bid.
Therefore I searched the AH for the items that expire soon. And I found them there, Wondrous Grommet; appearing in stacks in excessively cute price of 25 AD bid. That was the moment I decide there, I ll find out how to bid on them. Those stacks were more than a hundred I was trying to win bids on them for almost 1 hour. I ended up spending almost 50k on bids of 25 ad each.

There I acknowledged 2 things.
1. The Bid on Action House closes at 10s. Thought there were people who outbid my bids the last second.
Infuriating as this was I came up with a different possibility.

I tried to search the gateway for the expiring Wondrous Grommet but they were nowhere to be found.
Then I found a way to "see" them in the gateway. I marked them with my love bid, and later they appeared in the Bids section of the Action House.

And there I discovered one more important thing.
2.After you have marked the bid in the game and you have found it in the gateway Bids tab, you are able to bid even at the last 4s. That way I made about the 100 bids. I waited for almost the 4-5s and I hit the button.

In the end I found myself winning 3 Wondrous Grommet stacks.
Amazing.

That means even in the last 4 sec someone had the way to outbid me most of the times. Was it luck was it the ping?
Or was it the most terrifying thing that we've encountered?

Was it b-bb BOTS?
And by bots I don't mean to say that there were robots interested in buying the lovely Grommets from me (after all most probably it was them posting the stacks), rather than a player having a program to outbid other in the bids they had marked.


I would like you all to share your experiences on bids to this post and together to come to a conclusion on how to have a Fair chance to win a bid, since money isn't as important as the last second bid.

Comments

  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    I just pay full price if I want it.
  • imperiousshiniimperiousshini Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 199 Arc User
    Ah, okay that was helpful...
    Anyone else?
  • carl103carl103 Member Posts: 209 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    This^. They really should just remove bids altogether. You can do this, (somehow, not sure how), when putting the lot up but as things are now you'll basically end up spending buyout regardless to outbid on the item if bidding is allowed. So stop being cheap and just buyout.
    Paingiver is not an acurratte or Useful measure of your actual sustained damage output, (i.e DPS), in various ways it lies. For a true idea use ACT. Link below:

    https://github.com/nilsbrummond/Neverwinter-ACT-Plugin
  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    I have saved a lot of AD on items by bidding on them. You just got to get lucky and not be up against some bid script.
  • samaka#2511 samaka Member Posts: 568 Arc User
    So the moral of the story here is use the Gateway to snipe and not the in-game AH because the Gateway allows you to bid right up until the end, whereas the in-game AH disallows bidding when there is 10 seconds left to go?

    @samaka#2511
  • imperiousshiniimperiousshini Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 199 Arc User
    yeah, smth like that, and no it's not to disable the bid. Some things can not be sold easily and bid helps getting them off yourself.
    Moreover a new person to the game will need the bid system in case they want to buy smth cheaper NOT everyone has developed their economy and can buy things out while laughing.

    Lastly the point is not to change the system or say it's bad but to find out the ways around it.
    I found myself the thing with the gateway. Does anyone else have to add smth helpful to new or old players?
    that's how a community should work not to point you to the direction buyout where the item in need was 800k more expensive, Imagine yourself being a player with 2 toons where would you get the missing 800k to buy this thing out? How much time would it take you to get all that money,
    Therefore solution like empty your wallet, or buyout is the way to are out of subject.

    And coming back to the subject in hand,
    Does anyone else have to add smth helpful to new or old players to help them get a fair chance on bidding successfully their item of need?
  • looomislooomis Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 253 Arc User
    If I had the morale of a real bank, I would use simple bit bots for myself. This is how you bit successfully, unfortunately.
    To make it fair towards real players, the auction should be extended by a minute, if a higher bid comes in near the end.
    I know thats not how auctions work, but a human cant be as accurate as a bot...
  • samaka#2511 samaka Member Posts: 568 Arc User
    Some games have anti-snipe code that does exactly that, extends the auction by 5 minutes after a successful bid.

    Personally, I like the idea of extending the time to help prevent sniping! :)
    @samaka#2511
  • ichimaruginxichimaruginx Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 230 Arc User
    ALWAYS use GATEWAY to bid ;)

    And, always bid beforehand (preferably when it's cheap) to mark it down so you can bid it at the last min in your "My Bids" tab instead of wasting the time typing the name/copying etc.

    Lastly, refresh! and don't expect to win the bid even if you bid at the last sec - sometimes people are faster or pay higher.

    Source: Long time bidder.

    Sorry that you had to found out the hard way, there used to be a bidding guide before this - but that was at least 1 year ago. This should be stickied or added to the list for new players if haven't.
  • ichimaruginxichimaruginx Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 230 Arc User
    Oh and greetings to you fellow guildie xD Just noticed your display name was familiar :D
  • carl103carl103 Member Posts: 209 Arc User
    in case they want to buy smth cheaper NOT everyone has developed their economy and can buy things out while laughing.


    Except they won't get it cheaper because last second bidding 99.99% of the time involve the price being driven so high you aren't saving much over just flat out buyouting the item.

    Can you very occasionally get items useful amounts cheaper via bidding. Yeah. Can you realistically expect to do so under normal conditions. Nope. Never gonna happen. Most things you bid on will just get bought out by someone else, the rest you'll get outbid on unless your willing to pay so much you might as well have just bought the item out.
    Paingiver is not an acurratte or Useful measure of your actual sustained damage output, (i.e DPS), in various ways it lies. For a true idea use ACT. Link below:

    https://github.com/nilsbrummond/Neverwinter-ACT-Plugin
  • imperiousshiniimperiousshini Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 199 Arc User

    ALWAYS use GATEWAY to bid ;)

    And, always bid beforehand (preferably when it's cheap) to mark it down so you can bid it at the last min in your "My Bids" tab instead of wasting the time typing the name/copying etc.

    Lastly, refresh! and don't expect to win the bid even if you bid at the last sec - sometimes people are faster or pay higher.

    Source: Long time bidder.

    Sorry that you had to found out the hard way, there used to be a bidding guide before this - but that was at least 1 year ago. This should be stickied or added to the list for new players if haven't.


    Hi!!
    Also thanks for the helpful comment i ll dig for this guide xD


  • kemnimtarkaskemnimtarkas Member Posts: 838 Arc User
    carl103 said:

    This^. They really should just remove bids altogether. You can do this, (somehow, not sure how), when putting the lot up but as things are now you'll basically end up spending buyout regardless to outbid on the item if bidding is allowed. So stop being cheap and just buyout.

    carl103 said:

    This^. They really should just remove bids altogether. You can do this, (somehow, not sure how), when putting the lot up but as things are now you'll basically end up spending buyout regardless to outbid on the item if bidding is allowed. So stop being cheap and just buyout.

    You do this by not listing a starting bid price. Just list the buyout price - and it's a Buyout Only item on the AH.

    Typically Buyout Only items are at the very end of the list, as the buyout price is almost always higher than other competing item's starting bids.
  • carl103carl103 Member Posts: 209 Arc User
    I sort by buyout price, (which in game at least gives buyout per unit sorting, gateway doesn't do that for some weird HAMSTER reason), anyway so they come up very often.
    Paingiver is not an acurratte or Useful measure of your actual sustained damage output, (i.e DPS), in various ways it lies. For a true idea use ACT. Link below:

    https://github.com/nilsbrummond/Neverwinter-ACT-Plugin
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