Nerfing of the Characters

ghostsniper193 · July 2016

Why do you constantly keep nerfing the characters in the games? A lot of people feel that it is because of the PVP players wanting to kill each other and they just can't kill that one guy because he is over powered. When you nerf it does not just hurt that one guy it hurts the entire PVE community as well.

Do you honestly think that by nerfing one or two characters that that will fix the issue? It will not because then the other characters that did not receive this nerf will now be over powered.

Aside from that a lot of us go through a lot of research in order to get our character just the way we want them and that takes time and money. You nerf a character and basically there goes all of my money and time down the tubes, and you think that by giving me a respec token that it will make things ok? Now you're not asking me you're forcing me to spend more time looking up or making up another build plus forcing me to spend my money because now my gear is no good and neither are my enchantments. Do the math, a rank 12 enchantment is the equivalent of $40.00 to $60.00 dollars. I have 7 characters, and now my Paladin is no better than a paperweight. You have a great product but you constantly keep HAMSTER it up and that's why people have left your game and will continue to do so. You know what keeps gamers coming back to a good game? A good game that does not change things every week for the worse but for the better.

Look at Coalescent wards, wow, the way you told us that they were going to be cheaper at about 75 tarmaulane bars if I remember correctly instead of the 200 bars and you went flat out and lied to us and took them away. Then you try to appease us by giving us trinkets right after... Seriously you treated us like dogs giving us your scraps off your table. Way to go ARC. Can't wait for the next set of disapointments from you.

happywhores · July 2016

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I have to agree. I have a gf and just found out they are being needed as well. Isn't the purpose of having different classes and races the reason for the advantages of the class? But nerfing to make them "equal" what is the point of having different abilities and classes or different races?

When you nerf a class you take away their unique abilities and what makes that class spacial. Stop changing the abilities or you will make a flat game with nothing special for any class.

You killed the control wizards, the rogue , paladin you nerfed too hard by making it 6 seconds for a bubble. 10 would've been perfect. Now you wanna take away from the server DPS and the unique abilities of the gf. Come on.

cscriv79 · July 2016

Time and money is why they constantly nerf/buff characters on a rotation, that way people keep spending money on the new OP character to gets its IL high.

Neverworking Nevercaring Alwayswanting

draco16 · July 2016

People are on to them now and it only a matter of time until another group comes up with an entertaining game that we can join and that will be administered more smartly and customer friendly. I have no problem with a company making money but I do when they manipulate the game purposely to cause you to be starting at ground zero after a while I get tired and move on.

spookymoo · July 2016

My Warlock got Nerfed this morning. I was expecting it, but I didn't realise how it would make me feel. My SW was the first toon I made, the first toon I got to 70, the first one I joined a guild with, the first one I ran an Epic with on and so on. I have had to respec twice and had no choice to but to follow a particular path with particular powers because that was the only viable path which give me even half a hope of being able to kill anything, survive any encounter or get in a party. No one wanted Warlocks in their groups until they got bugged. The bug was not our fault. I saw loads of people moaning about the DPS monsters that SW's are and its not fair because they can one shot all the bosses. Well I am 70, 2.5IL, 14k power. I can't one shot bosses. I see lots of other classes who survive better and who do better damage, at a lot lower spec, than me. Levelling up a Warlock, especially solo, is really hard work and very challenging. I had got into a good routine with my powers, learnt to play my character, did all my campaigns to get my boons first, spent hours reading up on them. I have spent 1'000s AD on a soulforge (because we are still the squishiest character in the game). I could never do PvP as you just can't with a Warlock. But I still loved her. And now you have gone and nerfed her. Do I get a respec token or do I have to purchase a third one costing more money? Do I have a hope of being able to play my character, that I spent nearly a year building, even remotely well? Will I ever get in a dungeon again (well yes maybe because we are the joke of the game and we can't one shot anything, supposedly, any more so therefore we are not going to hurt anyone's ego) I know you have done this with other characters and I know how they feel now.it hurts. I'm sad. Even if I can be bothered to respec and relearn all my rotations again it won't be the same. I weep for my Warlock that is no more. I have spent REAL money on this game. I won't be spending any more.

sgdarkprophecy · July 2016

Keeping your players/customers at this point happy does not seem to be what arc is intending on doing they shake the box on us to often to even want to continue spending money i had a gf from day 1 awesome till pally came all that time for nothing. Made a pally got him up awesome then nerf. Back to my neglected gf awesome now nerfing WTF seriously no body can play a single character long enough to actually enjoy this game anymore unless you have deep pockets! And you guys try and be so "Generous" with the double weekends which is garbage please stop NERFING OUR CHARACTERS and figure out how to make a CHARACTER and keep pvp seperate already the npcs in dungeons are hard enough you made sure of that so try and start listening to the PVE players wich is probably 90% of your Players and quit using that small percentage of whiners as an excuse to nerf and make an extra buck

eractic · July 2016

Well the way I see it is they don't have much competition on Xbox One so they do as they please and know they will still have a player base but once we have more MMORPG's on Xbox and the competition gets better they will lose a noticeable number of players do to their ''fixing'' classes and not fixing issues that have bugged the game for months now. Honestly if I was playing this on PC I'd have already left and be playing another mmo. If a player has spent money and time to build a great dps or great pvp character and someone who hasn't moans he isn't doing the same as that character....is it really the guy that spent money and time fault? that's the problem.

ltsmithneko · July 2016

Well the whole thing with the GF's is it seems their trying to put a GF more into the place is should've been, a tank. The nerf needed to happen since a GF shouldn't be able to deal an insane amount of damage, plus shouldn't allow players to one-shot bosses/ very close to it. So these nerf's to it are in reason, I run with buff GF's everyday, sure I'm somewhat sad to see them go, but face facts it needed to happen, I just don't agree with how they don't really provide much to those nerf'd even though, ya must note the GF is still going to have a purpose major purpose, maybe no as much in T1's andT2's, but in T3's they will, if they succeed in delivering a challenge. There are always way around the nerf, some GF's have already figured it out.

armadeonx · July 2016

Remove the ability to put premades against pugs - you either do a full premade and go only against other premades, or its pug v pug - no 2 or 3 man groups.

Fixed.

destrowod · July 2016

ltsmithneko said:
Well the whole thing with the GF's is it seems their trying to put a GF more into the place is should've been, a tank. The nerf needed to happen since a GF shouldn't be able to deal an insane amount of damage, plus shouldn't allow players to one-shot bosses/ very close to it. So these nerf's to it are in reason, .

My 2.6 GF does not do that. I buff some, yes, i could buff more if i had highter enchantements sure, if he was still my main he would have rank 11 by now instead of 8 and 9s but still he wouldn't buff them to one shot the boss.

The big problem of what you describe is the 4k wallet warriors, wich is NOT the majority of the game player base. And PVP?? Hell i never play PVP, i don't care about this. So when things get change in PVE because of some PVP HAMSTER, yeah i get angry...

My GF is purely builded to be a tank with some buffing... I do not do any damage in dungeons... AT ALL. Even questing solo take forever to finish dailies on him. So well no nerfing needed for me.

And when you buff in dungeon, you have to make sure that you do it when the boss don't attack, cause he could very well one shot you if your shield is down... You see there challenges already. Nobody want to simply be a sponge and stay there with his shield up and just sponge it all. Its not fun. They call these characters TANK, well a TANK still have a pretty strong cannon that shoot Shells. If they nerf them, they won't be tank anymore but just SPONGES.

alienpurps420 · July 2016

I agree too! Making my paladins bubble drop from 20 seconds to 6 is rediculous 10 would be perfect. Now no one even wants a bubble paladin in higher lvl dungeons only gurdian fighters and healadins. Please change the bubble to atleast 10 seconds with max rank. And how come in the latest patch notes every class is being nerfed except gwf? They are way over powered compared to all classes

armadeonx · July 2016

@destrowod for T2's you need to get your base Damage Reduction to 80%, which is the same as running with a pre-nerf bubble pally - then you won't need to use your shield.

I know that's harder than it sounds, but even 70% is very effective, especially if your group has a debuff DC that is reducing the damage output of the bosses.

satniteeduardo · July 2016

ltsmithneko said:
Well the whole thing with the GF's is it seems their trying to put a GF more into the place is should've been, a tank. The nerf needed to happen since a GF shouldn't be able to deal an insane amount of damage, plus shouldn't allow players to one-shot bosses/ very close to it. So these nerf's to it are in reason, I run with buff GF's everyday, sure I'm somewhat sad to see them go, but face facts it needed to happen, I just don't agree with how they don't really provide much to those nerf'd even though, ya must note the GF is still going to have a purpose major purpose, maybe no as much in T1's andT2's, but in T3's they will, if they succeed in delivering a challenge. There are always way around the nerf, some GF's have already figured it out.

With the oneshotting of bosses the fix should not be to the GF, it should be to the classes that have attacks that glitch to stupidly high damage scores with the buffs.

If every class was doing insane damage and oneshotting everything then sure but that is not the case.

ltsmithneko · July 2016

satniteeduardo said:

ltsmithneko said:
Well the whole thing with the GF's is it seems their trying to put a GF more into the place is should've been, a tank. The nerf needed to happen since a GF shouldn't be able to deal an insane amount of damage, plus shouldn't allow players to one-shot bosses/ very close to it. So these nerf's to it are in reason, I run with buff GF's everyday, sure I'm somewhat sad to see them go, but face facts it needed to happen, I just don't agree with how they don't really provide much to those nerf'd even though, ya must note the GF is still going to have a purpose major purpose, maybe no as much in T1's andT2's, but in T3's they will, if they succeed in delivering a challenge. There are always way around the nerf, some GF's have already figured it out.
With the oneshotting of bosses the fix should not be to the GF, it should be to the classes that have attacks that glitch to stupidly high damage scores with the buffs.

If every class was doing insane damage and oneshotting everything then sure but that is not the case.

-_- The buffs is what make our attacks hit so hard... You can survive without insane buffs :T

ltsmithneko · July 2016

destrowod said:

ltsmithneko said:
Well the whole thing with the GF's is it seems their trying to put a GF more into the place is should've been, a tank. The nerf needed to happen since a GF shouldn't be able to deal an insane amount of damage, plus shouldn't allow players to one-shot bosses/ very close to it. So these nerf's to it are in reason, .
My 2.6 GF does not do that. I buff some, yes, i could buff more if i had highter enchantements sure, if he was still my main he would have rank 11 by now instead of 8 and 9s but still he wouldn't buff them to one shot the boss.

The big problem of what you describe is the 4k wallet warriors, wich is NOT the majority of the game player base. And PVP?? Hell i never play PVP, i don't care about this. So when things get change in PVE because of some PVP ****, yeah i get angry...

My GF is purely builded to be a tank with some buffing... I do not do any damage in dungeons... AT ALL. Even questing solo take forever to finish dailies on him. So well no nerfing needed for me.

And when you buff in dungeon, you have to make sure that you do it when the boss don't attack, cause he could very well one shot you if your shield is down... You see there challenges already. Nobody want to simply be a sponge and stay there with his shield up and just sponge it all. Its not fun. They call these characters TANK, well a TANK still have a pretty strong cannon that shoot Shells. If they nerf them, they won't be tank anymore but just SPONGES.

A current gf can solo T2's, and. they're buffs need a nerf compared to every other buff there's is about 10x stronger depending on the group, so in the end simple words, "Deal with it, and stop complaining"

Im not sure about half of you, but I don't want to run in a T3 and pretty much one-shot bosses... -.- Maybe think about having a challenge for once? That rewards you for doing so.

thedramacus · July 2016

> @spookymoo#7778 said:
> My Warlock got Nerfed this morning. I was expecting it, but I didn't realise how it would make me feel. My SW was the first toon I made, the first toon I got to 70, the first one I joined a guild with, the first one I ran an Epic with on and so on. I have had to respec twice and had no choice to but to follow a particular path with particular powers because that was the only viable path which give me even half a hope of being able to kill anything, survive any encounter or get in a party. No one wanted Warlocks in their groups until they got bugged. The bug was not our fault. I saw loads of people moaning about the DPS monsters that SW's are and its not fair because they can one shot all the bosses. Well I am 70, 2.5IL, 14k power. I can't one shot bosses. I see lots of other classes who survive better and who do better damage, at a lot lower spec, than me. Levelling up a Warlock, especially solo, is really hard work and very challenging. I had got into a good routine with my powers, learnt to play my character, did all my campaigns to get my boons first, spent hours reading up on them. I have spent 1'000s AD on a soulforge (because we are still the squishiest character in the game). I could never do PvP as you just can't with a Warlock. But I still loved her. And now you have gone and nerfed her. Do I get a respec token or do I have to purchase a third one costing more money? Do I have a hope of being able to play my character, that I spent nearly a year building, even remotely well? Will I ever get in a dungeon again (well yes maybe because we are the joke of the game and we can't one shot anything, supposedly, any more so therefore we are not going to hurt anyone's ego) I know you have done this with other characters and I know how they feel now.it hurts. I'm sad. Even if I can be bothered to respec and relearn all my rotations again it won't be the same. I weep for my Warlock that is no more. I have spent REAL money on this game. I won't be spending any more.

What nerf was this and why wasnt my SW affected? I would love people to ask for my CW or HR for the dps king, but thats never the case.

So many are quick to complain about nerfs, most Ive seen are needed. Paladins make all content a walk through. CN is cake walk with a DC, GF and SW. All other classes seem to be junk atm.

With the bubble nerf I see more need for control classes to handle mobs, with the GF nerf Im hoping other buff/debuff classes come into play more.

I do see alot of people looking for less of a challenge, can I reccomend aquanauts holiday on PS2, you drove a sub in the ocean. No fighting, no puzzles, no challenge :)

nightranger7477 · July 2016

^^^this! So much complaining and whining about the upcoming "class balances" and nobody even stops to think about the lack of challenge that currently exists in the game, nobody should be able to one shot what is supposed to be the most difficult boss in the game, it is growing quite boring and I personally praise the Devs for finally clamping down on the power creep and out of control buffing. The only issue I have with the upcoming nerf is why did it take so long to make these changes? I prefer a challenging game with rewards that equal the amount of effort put in, the problem is nothing in Neverwinter is a challenge after il 2500.

grandpaxxx · July 2016

Well they didn't clamp down on the power creep. Just the out of control buffing. Power creep nerf will be coming however in 2 or 3 patches.

There was a time ITF didn't actually add damage. So I see no problem with it as a gf myself.

satniteeduardo · July 2016

-_- The buffs is what make our attacks hit so hard... You can survive without insane buffs :T

Not every class though. Sure every class gets a buff but not all of them can one shot a dragon as a result.

ltsmithneko · July 2016

ltsmithneko said:
-_- The buffs is what make our attacks hit so hard... You can survive without insane buffs :T

santniteeduardo said:
Not every class though. Sure every class gets a buff but not all of them can one shot a dragon as a result.

Tr, cw, sw, hr, gwf all can. -_-

cscriv79 · July 2016

I am going to make a prediction here: nerfing of characters (is needed content is BORINGLY easy), addition of more difficult content then an increase in IL(armour and enchants) making that content and nerfing pointless.

mahburg · August 2016

nightranger7477 said:
^^^this! So much complaining and whining about the upcoming "class balances" and nobody even stops to think about the lack of challenge that currently exists in the game, nobody should be able to one shot what is supposed to be the most difficult boss in the game, it is growing quite boring and I personally praise the Devs for finally clamping down on the power creep and out of control buffing. The only issue I have with the upcoming nerf is why did it take so long to make these changes? I prefer a challenging game with rewards that equal the amount of effort put in, the problem is nothing in Neverwinter is a challenge after il 2500.

The answer to that is and always has been adding Content, they removed tons of content and made it all a grind then encouraged the building of set character types (Pally) which got a lot of folk spending real money then took Coals away (needing more money) then nerfed other toons forcing further upgrading to stand still.

A lot of guys when the Pallies where nerfed Built A Gf to help their guilds running content and hey presto the GF gets nerfed.
I trust everyone sees the common denominator here?

Finally we gather they are adding tougher content which will require a high I level to undertake (that's great but wait they have nerfed the Toons so Bis is no longer adequate wonder why)?

The new content likely wont hit us until November on Xbox (given its only on PC preview shard right now).

So enjoy the ongoing grind having been made deliberately harder for the lower level guys, wonder how many more players we will lose between now and the time the content finally drops!

Nerfing of the Characters

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