SW are overpowered and broken and need damage debuff!

blacknightace1 · July 2016

SW are breaking the game they can instant ly kill a boss with little help at all. SW 2800k can out DPs all other classes Easily
3k and up. Seriously no class can keep up and gwf has been Nerf to the ground no more competition lol. Pls fix or Nerf this class! No bosses will be hard or even challenging! Its plague to this game their DPs is out of control 300k tiamat and 200k in Orcus and that not even a max out SW.

zerogravityv0 · July 2016

Boohoo

pr3stigex · July 2016

I agree for my own selfish reasons. I can't decide who to focus on my SW or GWF. Honestly the SW is beyond broken when a GF is in the party.

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pr3stigex · July 2016

poopoomcmuffns said:
People dont realize its only when a guardian fighter or/and cleric are in the group. Alone sw does pitiful damage. One feat with bugged interactions allows big numbers from killing flames..that is about all.

its not just KF, the puppet it self goes crazy when buffed, I also think that parting blasphemy is affected by buff.

dmcewen · July 2016

The OP is a GWF and can't stand to losing the paingiver. The SW's are getting some fixes and nerfs as @defiantone99 stated.

Check it out for yourself. http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1218295/unofficial-interim-patchnotes/p1

ltsmithneko · July 2016

blacknightace1 said:
SW are breaking the game they can instant ly kill a boss with little help at all. SW 2800k can out DPs all other classes Easily

3k and up. Seriously no class can keep up and gwf has been Nerf to the ground no more competition lol. Pls fix or Nerf this class! No bosses will be hard or even challenging! Its plague to this game their DPs is out of control 300k tiamat and 200k in Orcus and that not even a max out SW.

Still keep up with broken SW's... love it when ppl say this.

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ltsmithneko · July 2016

I play with my guild... I still keep up.

tom · July 2016

LOL have you ever seen a good gwf, cw, tr or hr. With the kinda buffs sws go crazy those too insta kill bosses.
but you got what you wanted sw gets a 95% dmg nerf on preview. Are you happy now. Gwf still hits ibs with 80 mio...

armadeonx · July 2016

Way to kill yet another class in the name of 'balance'.

draco16 · July 2016

The constat nerf in of character classes is going to kill the game. It is time to stop this and to focus on repairing the content that does not work such as glitches area, constant disconnects and additional areas that don't work like the Tiamat black head glitch. The game has many players that have already quit and the bleeding will continue unless the nerfing stops.

dmcewen · July 2016

^^This... Stop worrying about leading the paingiver, too many things in the game are broken.

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dmcewen · July 2016

I do play an HR but don't exploit Hawkeye, it defeats the whole purpose of building up your character.

sundance777 · July 2016

I was just going to build one of these too. I am not sure how high of IL and how buffed the SW needs to be to one shot Orcus, but I don't think that is the intent of the game. You should have to hit him a couple times at least

lanevosquad · July 2016

draco16#8040 said:
The constat nerf in of character classes is going to kill the game. It is time to stop this and to focus on repairing the content that does not work such as glitches area, constant disconnects and additional areas that don't work like the Tiamat black head glitch. The game has many players that have already quit and the bleeding will continue unless the nerfing stops.

part of the problem with nefing isn't cryptic. it is moreso the players who constantly complain about not being the 'best'.
THEY are the reason it keeps happening. So what if the gwf hits hard as hell. So what if the SW puppet does massive damage. If people want to be numero uno then go play COD or Battlefield. Their constant whining and bickering is the reason so many class adaptions are happening. Not every class is meant to play the same, deal damage the same, or tank the same.

Their banter is like asking why they can't take a A-10 in a dogfight against Migs. Stupid idealogy if you really think about it.

Now, I will agree that the game mechanics itself need to be fixed- bugs, glitches, lack of stable connections. Those are things that should most definitely be addressed.

And for those who do complain about their class not being 'on par' with others. Ever consider maybe bringing up new ideas- like class specific armor that gives certain stat boosts- instead of a general boost across the board? probably not.

blacknightace1 · July 2016

Gwf has been nerfed badly but I am still topping charts because my dragonborn gwf is a HAMSTER still in this mod 9 in genocide gh19. But let's get real sw are overpowered. And my gwf is still getting another Nerf cause we hit hard after building up our power.

asjohnson · July 2016

blacknightace1 said:
Gwf has been nerfed badly but I am still topping charts because my dragonborn gwf is a HAMSTER still in this mod 9 in genocide gh19. But let's get real sw are overpowered. And my gwf is still getting another Nerf cause we hit hard after building up our power.

the GWF wasn't nerfed itself, not yet. The Lostmauth Set was nerfed because it was broken and it hurt EVERY DPS class not just the GWF

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blacknightace1 · July 2016

We are getting Nerf a weaponmasterstrike(main at will) and all other at wills are getting penalized for hitting more then one target. Messed up

armadeonx · July 2016

The funny thing is most players calling for the SW nerf are GWF's - they are about to get the same treatment... Be careful what you wish for.

Funny thing is it does look like the HR will now top Paingiver xD

asjohnson · July 2016

blacknightace1 said:
We are getting Nerf a weaponmasterstrike(main at will) and all other at wills are getting penalized for hitting more then one target. Messed up

WMS shouldn't have been your "main" at-will to begin with lol. You start with WMS, but most of your at-will DPS should have been done with Sure Strike.

ironzerg79 · July 2016

Please refrain from making "Nerf" request threads or posts. We've seen a lot of debate over what constitutes a legitimate balance suggestion and what is merely a cry for a buff or a nerf to a given power or class for biased reasons.

Legitimate balance suggestions look like this:
"I've done some testing in various situations and I think that (insert power or ability) is a bit on the OP side. Perhaps it should be dialed down 10% or so. What do you think?"

Nerf/buff posts, on the other hand, sound much like this:
"I fought so and so in PVP and he used this on me and I died in one hit!! This needs to be nerfed now!!"

Or this:
"The CW had one gazillion damage in epic LOL. They need to be nerfed because that's too much and I can't catch them on the paingiver chart."

Why the difference? Let's review:
The first example is thought out, logically tested, would ideally have supporting evidence posted, and provides a direction in which the devs can work, as well as a point that can be discussed.

The second and third...well, let's be honest: It sounds like a sore loser posting that they can't beat a given class and demanding that class be nerfed to "even the field," or "keep up with the Joneses." There's no evidence supporting their claim beyond anecdotal or circumstantial. What debuffs were in place? What was the posting player's build? In the third example, what was the power setup for the CW? None of that is known and can only be guessed at, which in turn, leads to a lot of inappropriate statements such as "l2p," "you fail at PVP/PVE," etc.

Balance suggestions are fine, but a direction needs to be defined in your post. If you're suggesting that a change be made, post supporting evidence as to why that change should be made--anecdotal and circumstantial evidence is sketchy at best and widely open to interpretation. Give a ballpark value as to how the change should be made.

The general rule of thumb is this:
If your idea of a fair change is "whatever makes me beat this or that class, or puts me at the top of the paingiver chart every time," then chances are that it's a thread which violates the rules.

Direction and objectivity are the key points to remember when creating a balance suggestion post or thread.

SW are overpowered and broken and need damage debuff!

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