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HR actually need a damage boost!
strathkin
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I've seen Oathbound Paladin's get nerfed twice recently, Trickster Rogue to my knowledge almost never nerfed despite huge stealth advantage in PvP, Seen Guardian Fighters Nerfed, Seen Control Wizard Nerfed as well and even Sourge Warlocks & Hunter Rangers in this rebalancing act as new classes have been added.
But Hunter Rangers clearly need a damage boost, and HERE'S WHY:
Been running multiple skirmishes the last two days to compare the damage of my HR (Hunter Ranger) against other classes and in contrast to their GS (Gear Score) which the last Skirmish I did had the following results. The vast majority show very similar contrasts since posting them all here would be difficult but all taken from Dwarven God's Skirmish.
(I realize it's difficult to generalize because everyone has different BUFFs to individual or team powers) yet I think this makes a CLEAR point.
1st Place: Sourge Warlock Soulbinder GS2484 14.8m damage & took 1.2m damage taken (1st)
2nd Place: Devoted Cleric Divine Oracle GS2128 12m damage
3rd Place: Control Wizard MoF GS1906 10.8m damage & took 3rd highest damage in 800k range
4th Place: Hunter Ranger Stormwarden GS2366 8.2m damage & took 980k damage taken (2nd) & 67 kills (5th)
5th Place Oathbound Paladin Devotion GS2386 7.8m damage dealt
Given HR & SW are supposed to be DPS classes and far more squishy than CW which are still squishy. I'm not surprised the SW got the TOP damage they are generally the highest DPS class given their squishiness. I'm just surprised given I took almost as much my damage despite GS being very close was so very poor.
I'm completely STUNNED my HR did so poorly for damage in contrast to a Devoted Cleric & Control Wizard with almost 250-450 lower Gear Score than and this I found on more than ONE occation. I've seen below others commenting CW need damage buff (not if they choose the right FEAT path and I'm sure that's TRUE with most classes if provided your playing to your strengths. I do know how to play a HR TRAPPER and I am using my full archery encounters switching to MELEE and utilizing them to gain damage buff's from switching stances regularly and often.
I think some of the HR's Class powers &/or FEATS need to be PROC'd UPWARDS to improve damage dealt. They also need to FIX Aimed STRIKE (At-Wil) so it does the damage reported or at least does more than the 1K it does today despite claiming 10K on the green bar. Still when a Devoted Cleric with a gear score of that is 250 less than you does almost 4m more in damage and takes far less damage because they actually wear armour rather than cloth you have a serious problem.
But Hunter Rangers clearly need a damage boost, and HERE'S WHY:
Been running multiple skirmishes the last two days to compare the damage of my HR (Hunter Ranger) against other classes and in contrast to their GS (Gear Score) which the last Skirmish I did had the following results. The vast majority show very similar contrasts since posting them all here would be difficult but all taken from Dwarven God's Skirmish.
(I realize it's difficult to generalize because everyone has different BUFFs to individual or team powers) yet I think this makes a CLEAR point.
1st Place: Sourge Warlock Soulbinder GS2484 14.8m damage & took 1.2m damage taken (1st)
2nd Place: Devoted Cleric Divine Oracle GS2128 12m damage
3rd Place: Control Wizard MoF GS1906 10.8m damage & took 3rd highest damage in 800k range
4th Place: Hunter Ranger Stormwarden GS2366 8.2m damage & took 980k damage taken (2nd) & 67 kills (5th)
5th Place Oathbound Paladin Devotion GS2386 7.8m damage dealt
Given HR & SW are supposed to be DPS classes and far more squishy than CW which are still squishy. I'm not surprised the SW got the TOP damage they are generally the highest DPS class given their squishiness. I'm just surprised given I took almost as much my damage despite GS being very close was so very poor.
I'm completely STUNNED my HR did so poorly for damage in contrast to a Devoted Cleric & Control Wizard with almost 250-450 lower Gear Score than and this I found on more than ONE occation. I've seen below others commenting CW need damage buff (not if they choose the right FEAT path and I'm sure that's TRUE with most classes if provided your playing to your strengths. I do know how to play a HR TRAPPER and I am using my full archery encounters switching to MELEE and utilizing them to gain damage buff's from switching stances regularly and often.
I think some of the HR's Class powers &/or FEATS need to be PROC'd UPWARDS to improve damage dealt. They also need to FIX Aimed STRIKE (At-Wil) so it does the damage reported or at least does more than the 1K it does today despite claiming 10K on the green bar. Still when a Devoted Cleric with a gear score of that is 250 less than you does almost 4m more in damage and takes far less damage because they actually wear armour rather than cloth you have a serious problem.
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Not saying I am disagreeing with you (especially on HR),
At high item levels the SW's are usually on top of the dps charts. I guess it's a matter of builds. Item levels can be a very poor gauge of strength here.
i dont think SW needs a buff not even a little one. Sure there are loads of SWs who dont know how to play their class but if you use a good build and dont HAMSTER up your rotations SW is the single best dmg dealer (in my Opinion). Im at a point now where with the right group i oneshot/twoshot every boss (hits form KV/MV up to 108 mio SS with 4-10 mio+ dot). Its not even fair for the other classes cause they cant even touch the mobs.
Cant speak about HR cause i dont play that class but some friends of mine also break the dmg charts in DEMO or Tia.
My 3k HR does well. While he might get outdpsed by other classes, runs with fox shift spam are chilling as hell.
HR more than any other class loses a lot of damage when it's played poorly (I know this because I'm terrible at it). Not like the GWFs being mentioned aren't all Destroyers : \
SW needs a rework because all their damage is from bugged feats and powers.
Seeing a Scourage Warlock did 7m more in damage with a GS of only 100 more than me (hey everyone knows Scourages are the Highest DPS class) but I took almost as much damage overall as him the most squishy class in the game--so clearly HR's need some BUFFs to HE FEATS & PARAGON FEATS / Powers.
2ndly when a Devine Oracle not a DPS class with GS 2126 or less than 300 below you do practically 4m more in DAMAGE then HR's while they are reasonability effective there is a balance MIXUP because SW are the highest DPS given their squishiness, then followed by CW/GF but then close in behind should be HR not being beatout by a Devine Oracle with far lower GS?
Even a CW MoF with GS 1906 beat me by almost 2m damage. I realize they mostly AoE and with large MOBS in that skirmish their powers have wide radius so it will boost their damage whereas a HR they do have some multi enemy attacks in ranged & melee but most are limited to a smaller radius.
Overall the HR's damage capabilities seemed UNDERPOWERED given the damage they take is almost comparible to Scourge Warlock the squishiest class in the game...
Given I thoroughly investigated a proven BUILD for TRAPPER off MMOMINDS I do recognize I'm at least now feel capable in MELEE stance but given my overall damage is so low compared to the SW GS2484 verse my HR GS2366 resulted in him doing 14.8m damage & me 7.8m damage that's a pretty sad state of affairs.
I'm not sure I want to switch back to Archery because given most HR's Melee encounters do far too little damage you require TRAPPER to even make MELEE viable. Say even a few Ranged powers have quite low damage the only thing saving them for Archer's is the 40% buff from PREY but you also loose that as TRAPPER.
Now at the UPPER levels I realize if someone has a WEAPON ENCHANMENT that greatly increases CRIT SEVERITY by 75% you'd certainly as a HR be out beating most other DPS classes with a similar GS. Most other weapon enchantments are practically ineffective in contrast.
I'm simply suggesting *slightly* increasing damage a bit for 1-2 encounter powers [MELEE] since the vast majority of them fall in the same range as an AT-WIL power for most classes (in the range of 1.7k-3.7k) and these are ENCOUNTER POWERS.
For my ranged encounter setup, if I'm pared with a pretty good group, my hawkeye can deal 20M damage hits (of course this is a broken mechanic).
I'm regularly switching stances between Ranged & Melee as your posts suggest (3 ranged) switch (3 melee) consistently. But to be fair I'll try each one of your 3 encounter combo's 1 time each and post the updated results in this message for you to see.
Another thing is HR's tend to require a considerable amount of hand speed. Are you maximizing your encounter cool-downs? You need to cast them immediately after they are ready.
They are amazing in single-player damage, although the class is currently broken DPS-wise.
A huge part of the community is so undereducated and close-minded when it comes to actual game knowledge that it often hurts the image of a class and they get mislabeled as "UNDERPERFORMING"(to quote you), where in reality, people are just incapable of adapting and prefer to stick to stroking their egos by not admitting that it's in fact them, who are "UNDERPERFORMING", not the class.
The balance is off, most classes only have 1 or 2 meta-builds, but since buffs/debuffs exist that trivialize content, anything can be more than enough to clear any content in a timely manner.
As @thefabricant used to say "anything can be DPS".
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