Temptation rework needed, heres how

kikiseale · April 2016

Ok , so with SW tree temp. The LS being changed to " chance to proc" killed this tree. Why not, in some feats for this tree, the result for putting points into that feat spot will be LS 100% proc for 2/4/6/8/10 seconds. That would ensure that the healing that Temptation tree OCCURS. At the moment, with all dark enchants, a lifedrinker, and every lifesteal increasing boon and companion, temptations heal less than a person gets from a potion. Say, when cursed target dies, LS 100%, or when party member LS procs, SW LS procs for 1/2/3/4/5 secs 100%, some feats giving LS severity, this was a much enjoyed tree, but the chance to proc coupled with an AOE delivery system of heals to party, this tree died.

taitinhakkaaja · April 2016

Temptation sw should be classified as a healer in que too.

btfd · April 2016

Why not make 100% life steal part of the capstone as this is what this tree is about? So life steal can stay as it is and temptation would be something special lol

candinho2 · April 2016

kikiseale said:

Ok , so with SW tree temp. The LS being changed to " chance to proc" killed this tree. Why not, in some feats for this tree, the result for putting points into that feat spot will be LS 100% proc for 2/4/6/8/10 seconds. That would ensure that the healing that Temptation tree OCCURS. At the moment, with all dark enchants, a lifedrinker, and every lifesteal increasing boon and companion, temptations heal less than a person gets from a potion. Say, when cursed target dies, LS 100%, or when party member LS procs, SW LS procs for 1/2/3/4/5 secs 100%, some feats giving LS severity, this was a much enjoyed tree, but the chance to proc coupled with an AOE delivery system of heals to party, this tree died.

AFAIK temp cap doesn't have a proc chance, it does heal the same amount of life steal chance you have, so if a attack deal 5k damge and you have 30% lifesteal, you will heal players for 5000*30% or 5000*0,30 = 1500 hp healed, it has nothing to do with lifesteal proc, it just use the lifesteal chance to set the % healed. it is 100% chance to proc, every attack will heal players

schietindebux · April 2016

That´s my warlock 3k , an older video, with about 30% lifesteal, at 13:40 endboss starts
The biggest heal i remember was about 300k or 400k running Tiamat that time, maybe effectiveness was that´s high caused by buffs ? Soul Scorch instant heals the hole raid in 1 second doing so.
In case I would buy that bear cub and get it to purple, spend some effort in darks the Templock will deal crazy ammounts of healing without any effort.
I do not share your opinions being useless , it´s a supporter that can do good in PVE as in PVP.
Atm I run damnation to farm some dungeons with my broken puppet, but I will definitely go back to temptation the moment I am bored of that stupid puppet because it´s more fun in a whole. You can´t compete with damnation or fury because they are broken, but you can compete with other classes, and the ammount you heal, especially in edemo/Tiamat is hard to beat by any DC or OP (sure depends on the build-most are buffer/mitigation builds).
And doing PVP it provides more fun than any other path imo

https://youtube.com/watch?v=us1eAoEQZ64

fixed it now public, sry did´t recognize

taitinhakkaaja · April 2016

Private video unable to see it.
I have only tested temptation in preview, but life steal was amazing (even at slightly over 40% life steal)
I would change to temptation instantly if it was classified as a healer in que.

ftryda · April 2016

Also change buff effect zone from radius to simply apply to all party members. We are ranged class and generally too far away for the minimal buffs to be of any use to anyone. Even if they all worked like dark revelry it still wouldn't be a clear choice to pick any of them anyway, but atleast better than they are currently.

tresir · May 2016

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Hi, in currently sitting at 20k power 55 crit chance and 30% ls. I have a greater vorp which adds 50 crit sev. Would I get bigger heals with the added 4 percent ls and 10 % lifesteal sev from a pure life drinker? Or should I stick to my vorp?

kikiseale · May 2016

stick

jiubiizeekk · May 2016

Yall needa actually play a templock. its insane how much i heal. I out heal both DC's and OP's Theres a trick to it. its called you should be able to stack 25%+ Lifesteal chance with feats and at a minimum rank 8/9 dark enchants. Then all you do is spam DPS spells Yes DPS spells dont even try to heal try to dps. heck even try to get enchants that multi proc or Pets that give off a AoE chance. Pure+Lightning weapon, trans Bilethorn, Trans Plague (for Dots/AoE) Ect Proc as much AoE damage as possible but use single target powers. Pets, Areana? lightfoot theif ect... Anything that procs additional damage that exists on its own. It all adds to your lifesteal chance.
BoVA Being the exception, Dont use dreadtheft, you can deal more damage using Atwills/BoVA/hadars/SS

schietindebux · May 2016

I allways played templock as a dps focussed char without exception, p Vorp is also a good choice, maybe dread enchant wich procs a dot will be even better.

"Your attacks cause dread in your target for 4 seconds, dealing 50% of weapon damage as Necrotic damage every second and reducing their Defense by 40% for players and decreasing their Damage Resistance by 4% for monsters"

30% lifesteal infight is available even without slotting any high ranked dark enchants or losing dps, just take all that´s about livesteal : soul reaping, hope stealer , vampiric sparks
The biggest heals are done by Soul Scorch in my memory, DT wasn´t that bad in my case, high ticks and constant heals, atm the only generator for sparks btw.
I never tested bilethorn and lightning (would be interesting).
AS far as I know Plague fire has poor benefit, since warlock can´t apply that debuff with his encounter, maybe that changed? Anyone knows if DT can applie PF-DOT?

jiubiizeekk · May 2016

BoVA instead of DT.

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taitinhakkaaja · May 2016

etelgrin said:
Cryptic said upon changes from module 5 tiamat to mod 6 strongholds that the SW capstone and life steal will be treated specially as it is theirs only survivability tool, its hard to stay on alive and keep others alive with something as unreliable as heal on chance man. Certainly it needs some changes. The healing coming from Soul Bonding should not be affected by PvP healing depression its already depressed once with tenacity (healing through doing damage) and powers should be able to proc healing boon like the last one in Maze Engine, for DC this extra ~30k HP heal is working really well, I see no reason why it should not on SW. That would be a quick bandaid. For more complex reworks I would find faster cast time ex. faster TT cast time & mark time, faster shadow slip activation time and different defensive mechanics coming from shadowslipping. Scourge Warlock should be able to deliver various conditions (slow/stun/daze/prone/immobilize more reliably) not only to put target on fire or to deal creeping deaths. Majority of encounters needs total rework, Curse Bite (never used its so bad), Arms of Hodor (totally unreliable and a joke can be used as a joke-slap encounter at best), Wraiths Shadow (too low damage, control insignificant, immobilize almost non existend), BoVA should not be dispelled at any cost, after the efect expires it has to be recast but it cant be dispelled on simple control, needs some passive defensive ability, Pillar of Power (good concept bad in reality), whole hellbringer needs rework to be in par with soulbinder healing/defensives.

The problem is in warlock itself, not within its composition of skills or enchants, look at GWF or GF they are nearly good with anything you could of put on them, finding out themselves complete in most roles.

Well said mate! Another problem with current state of the game is there ain't much need of healing in pve. That is with 3k+ groups.
Everyone has enough life steal to self heals or other option is we get 1 shotted.

schietindebux · May 2016

etelgrin said:

schietindebux said:
I allways played templock as a dps focussed char without exception, p Vorp is also a good choice, maybe dread enchant wich procs a dot will be even better.

"Your attacks cause dread in your target for 4 seconds, dealing 50% of weapon damage as Necrotic damage every second and reducing their Defense by 40% for players and decreasing their Damage Resistance by 4% for monsters"

30% lifesteal infight is available even without slotting any high ranked dark enchants or losing dps, just take all that´s about livesteal : soul reaping, hope stealer , vampiric sparks
The biggest heals are done by Soul Scorch in my memory, DT wasn´t that bad in my case, high ticks and constant heals, atm the only generator for sparks btw.
I never tested bilethorn and lightning (would be interesting).
AS far as I know Plague fire has poor benefit, since warlock can´t apply that debuff with his encounter, maybe that changed? Anyone knows if DT can applie PF-DOT?
Hi Shiet.

I have tested the tranx bilethorn on preview, if you want I can pass it to you if you PM me in game for testing, in my opinion its really bad and not worth it, also it doesn't inflict slow properly so you can't use it for control either.

thanks, if it´s that bad it´s no choice for templock dps=heal, i would definitely stick with vorp or try dread enchant in case I switch back in few weeks to temptation

@jiubiizeekk I run DT all time everywhere, everytime, for trash for bosse etc.
I am damnation atm and can´t profit from MF bug, I stick with puppet-bug

My other encounter are Soul Scorch for sure, and hadar grasp, even after being nerfed.
BoVa is nice for soloplay but doing dungeons there are only few spots, where TT+BoVA+DT beats TT+HG+DT in my case, since i can´t manage to get in position to deal huge ammounts of damage to my TT´d target with BoVa.
That´s better done by a single Dot + DT imo. Dread theft on TT´d target is an easy way to focus damage, I am not that pro.
Bova is an option for static fights like Lostmouth/Orcus etc. , not first choice for mobile fights like traven, syndrith in first phase and gray wolf etc.
Being fury maybe it´s a good choice.

xrawcarnage · May 2016

IS there even an updated temp lock build out there ? I went from fury to temp lock yesterday just to see of I could heal my group through CN and did it pretty easily. I didn't realize temptation path has some nice damage buffs too for the group. Did good with just throwing up a quick build.

schietindebux · May 2016

i run templock/PVP again since yesterday and the healing is great having 40% LS+ most time without any effort.
An updated build? what do you expect exactly?
form a tanky warlock with some HP and as much lifesteal you can get from feats (you get a lot aggro out there) so take:
toughness, weapon mastery, empowered ritual 3/3, energizing curse 1/3
soul reaping is huge LS buff so 3/3
devasting critical 3/3
determindes casting 4/5
if human get det. casting 5/5 and bloodpact 2/5
I took setup for PVP with desperate retoration, wich is not needed in PVE

Hope stealer, vampire sparks, dark revelry, aura of cruelty 5/5
eldrich momentum is only needed for PVP imo
so 5 point free to spend as you wish, i allways spend some point in vengefull curse, but that´s PVP setup for better curse benefit 1 vs 1

one point in parting blasphemy is nice combined with eldrichs momentum for PVP but not needed in PVE
critical promise , burning soul and infernal wrath (group buff) 5/5 is my choice in fury tree
if you want to be tanky get offhand feat for Borrowed time-15% deflect
invest your tarmalune bars in that bear cup and get him to purple, to do redicules high ammounts of heals
run vorp or dread enchant since damage=healing
get a legendary companion with rank 12 bonding...

this is CN from yesterday with a random group
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Aj-8_H2mKvQ&feature=youtu.be

tresir · May 2016

Hi, I'm currently running a temp build and I love it. I have no problem healing.. Whatsoever. Just recently I healed though v.t with no tank (2.5's and below

. I don't feel us templocks really need a change. I wish we had a little more damage Mitigation tho. Is it the best Dps spec?? Hell no!!! Is it fun to pug/ take the place of a cleric?? Of course

. Cn with a debuff cleric, gf, and temp??? Orcus doesn't stand a chance. Shout out to @xrawcarnage

Temptation rework needed, heres how

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