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stuckthrottle
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I apologize for the generic title. I have recently noticed a big increase in CWs whenever I pug random groups. However, I can still count on one hand the number of random MoFs I have come across while I constantly come across SS CWs. I have nothing against SS CWs, just simply prefer to be a MoF. So to the MoFs I never come across, hopefully you stop by the forum and maybe compare notes:
1. Do you follow a build? Ironzerg, Burn With Me, How to Melt a Dragon, TheFabricant, etc etc? I began my MoF way back with Chem’s guide as I am sure many did back then. I used to be a Thaum but switched to Renegade about 4 months ago. Currently am a Renegade with Spell Twisting. I try to keep up with the PC guys as they have more experience than us Xbox people. However as a MoF, I have taken pieces from multiple guides to keep my character strong and fit my playstyle.
2. If you do not follow a guide, what paragon path did you choose?
3. Based off your path, are you a DPS, Support, Combo? Update: I switch between DPS and Buff/Debuffs DPS. My rotations are explained further down. I recently discovered that my best Class Feature setup is running Swath and Chilling Presence. It gives me the DPS I want along with helping the group DPS and in fact does better for my personal DPS than running any combo of Critical Conflagration.
4. Smolder: Being a MoF Renegade with Spell Twisting, I do pretty good in paingiver. Not the best obviously, but I hold my own. I constantly try different variations to switch out of Crit Conflagration and into Swath. Update: As of today, I believe my play style is comfortable enough to stop using Critical Conflagration and stick with a Swath/Chilling Presence combo. I use Scorching Burst to start smolder and keep it up with my rotation. After the Nerf, this so far has been my best result when dealing with smolder. It has also made a large impact on my personal DPS beating out the Crit Conflagration/Chilling Presence combo for personal DPS making it a win/win combo for me and the group. However I should note that my Shadow Demon is my bonding proccer and it's a hard hitting companion. That, I am sure, contributes also. So, how to you deal with smolder?
5. Companions: Update: For me 3 Archons (epic), an Eryness and my summoned Legendary Shadow Demon. My summoned pet uses R12 Bonding Stones. The Eryness makes up slightly for my abandoning of Critical Conflagration. You?
6. Weapon Enchant: As a Renegade, I have Abyss of Chaos. I run a Perfect Lightning enchant. I am unsure if I notice a difference with the Owlbear Pup, but either way, I enjoy using the lightning enchant with AoC. Update: After the Lostmauth Nerf, I switched to a Perfect Dread.from reading the materials that PC users post, having Abyss now isn't ideal. If and when I respec, I'll put those points into something else. You?
7. Your Rotation: CoI on RB with Steal Time, Disintegrate, and Icy Terrain. It’s kind of a basic load out. When I ran Drifting Embers, I used FtF instead of Steal Time. When doing bosses or dragons, I switch out Steal Time for RoE. As a Renegade, I sometimes switch everything out for quicker cooldown encounters just to proc Chaos Magic as many times as I can when in certain groups. You?
8. Lostmauth Set (if you use it): Update: Since the Nerf, I placed my full set into my bank. I decided not to exchange it. I already had a mythic Valindra Shard, so I am now running the full Valindra set. Definitely noticed the control help when soloing HEs in IWD. This also helps to keep me from having to go to Icy Veins. I use a Belial Stone in place of the Horn.
9. Mounts: Update: My previous goal was to get an Axe Beak. Using it has allowed me to switch out many other items in favor of power and critical while still maintaining 60% RI.
10. iLvl: What is yours? Update: I am only just over 3200ish. Most of my stones and such are refined for their next upgrade. I am just awaiting some GMOP to upgrade them.
11. Added: Artifacts: I use a Lantern, Valindra Shard, Belial Stone and CW Sigil. At some point I may switch the Lantern out for a wheel of elements, but I'll need to make up the lost Arm Pen. Also, the debuffs that the Lantern provides makes a difference for the group making me in no real rush to replace it. You?
12. Added: Vote Kicking. I still randomly get vote kicked even when I top the charts in random pugs. However, I have also noticed more groups that I join who are stuck in certain dungeons are at least willing to give it a shot even when they prefer a tank or healer (and we usually make it). So it's been a nice balance since the Nerf. Do you get vote kicked less, more, or no noticeable change compared to what you used to experience.
The combination of Feats, Class Features, Powers, Companions, Artifacts, Playstyle etc etc play a big role in CWs effectiveness (as I am sure it does with all classes). My basic curiousness is about how current MoFs feel about their characters. Do you enjoy being one? Do you try to change your character to improve you effectiveness for soloing or groups? What are your current goals with your character?
For me: I was able to upgrade my twisted set to legendary, get my Axe beak, and upgrade many enchants. I guess my current goals are to work on the rest of my Valindra Set and improve my insignia on the rest of my stable mounts.
Closing: I am a MoF CW and have enjoyed being one ever since I began playing this game last summer. I am no superstar DPS, but hold my own very well in groups and when soloing along with providing decent group benefits. With all of the changes Neverwinter has gone through over the years, I still enjoy playing the game and do not plan to leave it any time soon. I honestly get the most enjoyment when I random pug groups and run with a CW who destroys me in every category. Unfortunately it is happening less and less, but It gives me something to strive for. Where does your MoF stand in this game? I would love to learn more from those who don’t random pug and those PC players who have maintained a MoF throughout their time with this game. I am sure that I will have more questions and appreciate anyone input along with your patience. I am sure these questions and threads like this have popped up from time to time. My hope is for MoFs to have more and more knowledge about our class.
1. Do you follow a build? Ironzerg, Burn With Me, How to Melt a Dragon, TheFabricant, etc etc? I began my MoF way back with Chem’s guide as I am sure many did back then. I used to be a Thaum but switched to Renegade about 4 months ago. Currently am a Renegade with Spell Twisting. I try to keep up with the PC guys as they have more experience than us Xbox people. However as a MoF, I have taken pieces from multiple guides to keep my character strong and fit my playstyle.
2. If you do not follow a guide, what paragon path did you choose?
3. Based off your path, are you a DPS, Support, Combo? Update: I switch between DPS and Buff/Debuffs DPS. My rotations are explained further down. I recently discovered that my best Class Feature setup is running Swath and Chilling Presence. It gives me the DPS I want along with helping the group DPS and in fact does better for my personal DPS than running any combo of Critical Conflagration.
4. Smolder: Being a MoF Renegade with Spell Twisting, I do pretty good in paingiver. Not the best obviously, but I hold my own. I constantly try different variations to switch out of Crit Conflagration and into Swath. Update: As of today, I believe my play style is comfortable enough to stop using Critical Conflagration and stick with a Swath/Chilling Presence combo. I use Scorching Burst to start smolder and keep it up with my rotation. After the Nerf, this so far has been my best result when dealing with smolder. It has also made a large impact on my personal DPS beating out the Crit Conflagration/Chilling Presence combo for personal DPS making it a win/win combo for me and the group. However I should note that my Shadow Demon is my bonding proccer and it's a hard hitting companion. That, I am sure, contributes also. So, how to you deal with smolder?
5. Companions: Update: For me 3 Archons (epic), an Eryness and my summoned Legendary Shadow Demon. My summoned pet uses R12 Bonding Stones. The Eryness makes up slightly for my abandoning of Critical Conflagration. You?
6. Weapon Enchant: As a Renegade, I have Abyss of Chaos. I run a Perfect Lightning enchant. I am unsure if I notice a difference with the Owlbear Pup, but either way, I enjoy using the lightning enchant with AoC. Update: After the Lostmauth Nerf, I switched to a Perfect Dread.from reading the materials that PC users post, having Abyss now isn't ideal. If and when I respec, I'll put those points into something else. You?
7. Your Rotation: CoI on RB with Steal Time, Disintegrate, and Icy Terrain. It’s kind of a basic load out. When I ran Drifting Embers, I used FtF instead of Steal Time. When doing bosses or dragons, I switch out Steal Time for RoE. As a Renegade, I sometimes switch everything out for quicker cooldown encounters just to proc Chaos Magic as many times as I can when in certain groups. You?
8. Lostmauth Set (if you use it): Update: Since the Nerf, I placed my full set into my bank. I decided not to exchange it. I already had a mythic Valindra Shard, so I am now running the full Valindra set. Definitely noticed the control help when soloing HEs in IWD. This also helps to keep me from having to go to Icy Veins. I use a Belial Stone in place of the Horn.
9. Mounts: Update: My previous goal was to get an Axe Beak. Using it has allowed me to switch out many other items in favor of power and critical while still maintaining 60% RI.
10. iLvl: What is yours? Update: I am only just over 3200ish. Most of my stones and such are refined for their next upgrade. I am just awaiting some GMOP to upgrade them.
11. Added: Artifacts: I use a Lantern, Valindra Shard, Belial Stone and CW Sigil. At some point I may switch the Lantern out for a wheel of elements, but I'll need to make up the lost Arm Pen. Also, the debuffs that the Lantern provides makes a difference for the group making me in no real rush to replace it. You?
12. Added: Vote Kicking. I still randomly get vote kicked even when I top the charts in random pugs. However, I have also noticed more groups that I join who are stuck in certain dungeons are at least willing to give it a shot even when they prefer a tank or healer (and we usually make it). So it's been a nice balance since the Nerf. Do you get vote kicked less, more, or no noticeable change compared to what you used to experience.
The combination of Feats, Class Features, Powers, Companions, Artifacts, Playstyle etc etc play a big role in CWs effectiveness (as I am sure it does with all classes). My basic curiousness is about how current MoFs feel about their characters. Do you enjoy being one? Do you try to change your character to improve you effectiveness for soloing or groups? What are your current goals with your character?
For me: I was able to upgrade my twisted set to legendary, get my Axe beak, and upgrade many enchants. I guess my current goals are to work on the rest of my Valindra Set and improve my insignia on the rest of my stable mounts.
Closing: I am a MoF CW and have enjoyed being one ever since I began playing this game last summer. I am no superstar DPS, but hold my own very well in groups and when soloing along with providing decent group benefits. With all of the changes Neverwinter has gone through over the years, I still enjoy playing the game and do not plan to leave it any time soon. I honestly get the most enjoyment when I random pug groups and run with a CW who destroys me in every category. Unfortunately it is happening less and less, but It gives me something to strive for. Where does your MoF stand in this game? I would love to learn more from those who don’t random pug and those PC players who have maintained a MoF throughout their time with this game. I am sure that I will have more questions and appreciate anyone input along with your patience. I am sure these questions and threads like this have popped up from time to time. My hope is for MoFs to have more and more knowledge about our class.
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I saw you on earlier but didn't have time to do some runs. I usually jump on every day to at least run my dailies. You can inv me anytime you are free and see me on.
2. I always come back to thaum. Right now it's a thaum oppressor blend
3. Support DPS/boss killer.
4. Smolder is the primary mechanic for MoF. As such, it's my first priority, I always run Swath for the relatively large DPS buff for the entire party (Party DPS always trumps individual) and Crit Conflag for the synergy and extra crit severity. Not having bought the Erynies yet I'm sitting at 97% Crit Severity, thinking I can get that up to 100%. Chilling presence is nice, especially since I freeze everything that can be frozen instantly, but the overall party DPS is much higher than the personal DPS I lose not running chilling presence. And during boss fights I actually manage more DPS with Swath, provided it doesn't die too quickly.
5. I'm in the process of reworking these, but right now the main portion of this is an epic Yeti with Greater Bondings and a +2% CA companion.
6. Currently rebuilding a Fey after selling all my enchants prior to Coalgate. Since I'm unwilling to pay absurd prices it's currently only a normal.
7. Rotation depends on what I am trying to do. If it's trash/elite mobs it's usually Steal Time in the RB, Icy Terrain for CC, Fanning the Flame and Disintegrate. I also use Ice Knife for boss fights and the flaming pillar one for mob fights. Magic Missile and the other flame one for at wills, though with my ridiculous recharge times I rarely use At Wills. Steal Time in RB grants the party Combat Advantage, so if I'm running with an intelligent HR using Aspect of the Pack I sometimes trade this out. For "Boss fights" I run Ray of Enfeeblement in RB and swap Col in for Icy Terrain. Tiamat and Demo I run RoE in RB and keep Icy Terrain.
8. I don't use Lostmauth, because of the way they "fixed" it previously it does not trigger on a lot of spells that apply DoTs so doesn't work great for MoF. Currently running without a set bonus in PvE and use Black Ice in PvP to kill GFs, OPs, and Clerics. Also working on getting a Valindra set together (already use the neck) to play with.
9. I have a legacy Axe Beak, a Gond mount, Spider, and Dawn Unicorn plus a random blue from a long time ago. So I will be good to go for now, might swap things around later, I want to buy a zen mount with 2k lifesteal, 2k defense and 2k ArPen for all my toons to get what they need, so I'll have to decide if the insignia bonuses are better with whatever those end up being.
10. 2964. Yea, it's kinda killing me to be that close to 3k.
I love being MoF. The debuffs I bring to the table have a pretty significant effect to difficult fights. And I've managed to come in 2nd overall DPS in a gold run Demo before, which I don't really care about the personal DPS side but it's still nice to see yourself up there every once in a while. More impressively I've killed Lostmauth from half health after my entire team wiped in the lava rocks wave (back when I was 2700IL too!), so that's pretty cool.
Np and thanks for still following the thread. I should be solid in about a week and able to play more. I keep respeccing to Thaum to test different builds, but just can't seem to find one that fits me.
I've decided to drop the Renegade feat that gives an extra 10 percent critical chance when slotting Chilling Presence in favor of the one above it to boost steal time and RoE. It's as you said, we still crit pretty often and I am happy with 55% (instead of 65% with the feat boost).
Also finally have enough power points to put quite a few extra Feats and Encounters at R4 so I can test different styles without a full respec. Going to start toying with Arcane/Chilling Presence Combo to see if I can improve personal DPS. I feel like my support rotation is fairly solid when I run with groups that prefer the buffs so I figure I might as well work on my personal DPS rotation.
Side Note: I always keep Swath on for boss fights (along with changing my rotation for support), but lately it seems like it doesn't help the party as much. I mean between starting smolder, firing my Lantern, and using RoE and Icy Rays, I should see the party boost in their DPS right? It just doesn't feel like its doing that. TheFabricant, I wish us Xbox peeps could run with you PC guys so we had something better to compare to. The last SS to beat me was almost 1000 iLvL more than me, but maybe that just because most of the great Xbox CWs don't random pug.
Also, I just finished updating my original post to reflect all of the recent changes I have made to my character. My most surprising change was the switch out of Critical Conflagration/Chilling Presence combo. As long as I can apply smolder right off the bat, I'm able to keep good DPS and help the group.
We all know that as CWs group synergy means a lot unless you are a DPS monster and it benefits the group better if you focus on personal DPS. Since the Nerf, it's been nice to run into more groups willing to run without a tank and healer. It's fun teleporting to optimal positions to ensure everyone gets the heals and buffs a renegade provides. Running CN is especially fun when you get to watch players run close enough to you to get Chaotic Growth whenever they are low and want to heal quickly before Orcus fires his hard hit.
i really wouldnt mind following a build if i happened on one that was meant for groups, i play mostly with my cousin who mains gwf. and my guild when the whole my timezone+odd workhours allows
Like being able to go pure DPS when I want/need to and swap out a class feature to make use of combustive action's oppressor feat for extra group debuffs.