Protector's Comeraderie not stacking properly.

rinat114 · March 2016

So, the bonus is pretty clear. At one mount it's supposed to give you 3% of your power + defense and it can stack up to 4 times (stacks up as your companion attacks). Hence, if I have in theory 30k power, one mount bonus fully stacked should give me 3.6k power after the raise. When you get 5 mounts with the same bonus, you should get 25% of your power + defense, and it stacks up to 4 times (hence, fully stacked it should give you 100% of your power, aka double.) So, if I have 30k power, in theory with 5 mounts and 4 stacks, I should get 30k more power in return, resulting in 60k power.

Yet, in reality, this is what happens:

My mount stable (bottom right shows the bonus, clearly states 25%)

With no buffs whatsoever, idle, these are the stats I have -

With 4 stacks up of the bonus (bonding runestones removed and are not applied), this is the end result -

I get an increase of 25% more or less (taking into account the Power I get from defense given I'm a GWF). Either the tooltip is misleading or this is not stacking up properly.

It seems to stack properly when I downgrade to 1 mount (12%) but after I add more mounts, the addition I get seems to be fixated.

@strumslinger @terramak

archangelzorak01 · March 2016

2 mounts with 3 slots.

7% stacks up to 4 times. Should be 28%. 25995*1.28=33273

Same as above, I've removed my bonding runestones and all other buffs to compare only the insignia bonus.

*Edit* Almost forgot... *ahem* "This is what happens when you don't test content before releasing it".

wildfirede · March 2016

they are not stacking additively, all insignia bonuses are crippled after the first one.
Maybe the tooltip is not adjusted for that though.

amafia313 · March 2016

I was gonna say diminishing returns but I get what you're saying along with your screenshots.

terramak · March 2016

Thanks, looked into it and confirmed a couple issues with this bonus.
I *think* the current functionality is correct despite not matching the text, but I'll need to work with our design team to make sure. Regardless, the issues with this bonus are now in our database.

archangelzorak01 · March 2016

thanks for the update terramak, we appreciate it.

joyousdeciever · March 2016

i was sure these mount bonus' would be like active pet bonus' and only the first one of identical bonus would count... had that been the case they would not have had to ruin warlords bonus's for any companion that is not a striker... 1 warlords inspiration and 1 warlords encouragement would have capped the gains from this bonus meaning it could have remained as it was without breaking the game... or at most would have required an adjustment to the percentage of stats granted to pets... now it is worthless for healer defender and augment pets... should have increased the pets pre warlords (encourage, inspire) stats by a set percentage to keep it viable for all pets not just strikers.... healer pet gets 10 or 20% extra damage? augment gets buff to the 0 damage it does? not a well thought out fix another spectacular panic nerf that takes a feature of game from broken Overpowered to Broken Worthless please fix this .... i have had aparatus of gond for over a year and since i dont have any legendary mounts for combat powers to proc calvary's warning it is worthless to me for stable... and also the unbound one i got last gond and never equipped is worthless to use on alt or sell in auction house

rinat114 · March 2016

terramak said:
Thanks, looked into it and confirmed a couple issues with this bonus.
I *think* the current functionality is correct despite not matching the text, but I'll need to work with our design team to make sure. Regardless, the issues with this bonus are now in our database.

Thank you very much for the update, much appreciated.

madnitezz · March 2016

I think they are working correctly but the tooltip is wrong.

According to the patch note dated 16/4:
"Warlord's Encouragement: This Insignia bonus has been redesigned, and now provides 10% increased Companion damage, up to 20% with five bonuses slotted.
Warlord's Inspiration: This Insignia bonus has been redesigned, and now provides 20% increased Companion damage, up to 40% with five bonuses slotted."

*So my first assumption is if you slot the insignia bonus x5, you will double its effect.

So with 5 slots of same bonus from 5 mounts, Protector's Camaraderie will increase your pow and def by 3x2=6% per companion's attack, or 6%x4=24% with max 4 stacks.

Putting this assumption into OP's figures:
Power buffed= (38575-31073)/31073=0.24 or 24% (6% per companion's att)
Seems like the first assumption is correct.

Lets's try with #archangelzorak01's numbers:
with 2 slots of same bonus,
Power buffed= 30330-25995/25995=0.17 or 17% (or ~4.2% per companion's att)

*From the two examples, my second assumption is that every additional slot of same bonus does not increase the effect linearly, but the higher the number of stacks, the smaller increment it has. Take Protector's Camaraderie for example, it may be something like 3%/4.2%/5%/5.6%/6% per companion's att.

Perhaps some rich people with many mounts can confirm the assumptions.

silverkelt · March 2016

I believe that is exactly what they are showing in lias post..

I actually think that is how it "should" be, as Im opposed to direct stacking power like that.. but , I WILL firmly say at the same time, since these are PAY to get via zen only , they should be way more up front on bonus structures.

Its very annoying to get mounts, then realize said mount isnt doing what you think it should be doing.

vida44 · March 2016

What I would like to know is if Protector's Friendship stack's separately from Protector's Camaraderie. Because I'm thinking 4 Camaraderie and 1 Friendship for a better return.

mirlegris · March 2016

Magistrate's Patience and magistrate's restraint stack separately, so, there is a chance than others stacks too.

But Tooltips for ProtCam is wrong, the buff is 4x3% for 1 Mount then 4x6% for 5 Mounts, stacking 2/3/4 mounts is useless, like show Rinat and Archangel pictures ( for this one, look crit and Arp -> they are higher too, so the numbers are not totally just buffed by ProtCam only -> it's 3x4=12% Power and Def buff + an unspecified buff ( bondings ? ) ).

archangelzorak01 · March 2016

The other stats changing was a mistake on my part. I de-summoned my warlock when I took the screen-cap so I lost the 15% bonus from her being legendary.

@madnitezz I have 4 mounts now and these are the numbers. (I swapped to a weaker companion so I have no legendary companion buff and no bondings, no other buffs at all)

Protector's Comraderie: 18% can stack up to 4 times.

Base power: 27945
1 stack 29287 (29287-27945)/27945 = .045 4.5%
2 stacks 30605 (30605-29287)/29287 = .045 4.5%
3 stacks 31982 (31982-30605)/330605 = .045 4.5%
4 stacks 33421 (33421-31982)/31982 = .045 4.5%

Total: (33421 - 27945) / 27945 = .196 19.6%

It could be that the tooltip is inaccurate and misleading. I'm assuming the first mount is 3% per stack and each additional adds 0.5% to each stack. Making 2 mounts 3.5%, 3 mounts 4%, 4 mounts 4.5% and 5 mounts 5%. Stacking 4 times to reach totals of 12%, 14%, 16%, 18% and 20% respectively.

They appear to be additive as stacks increase, so that each stack builds off the previous. So the 2nd stack give bonus power/defense based on the total stats including the 1st stack. The 3rd stack would increase power/defense based on a % of total power/defense including the 1st and 2nd stacks. etc. etc.

grimah · March 2016

archangelzorak01 said:
The other stats changing was a mistake on my part. I de-summoned my warlock when I took the screen-cap so I lost the 15% bonus from her being legendary.

@madnitezz I have 4 mounts now and these are the numbers. (I swapped to a weaker companion so I have no legendary companion buff and no bondings, no other buffs at all)

Protector's Comraderie: 18% can stack up to 4 times.

Base power: 27945
1 stack 29287 (29287-27945)/27945 = .045 4.5%
2 stacks 30605 (30605-29287)/29287 = .045 4.5%
3 stacks 31982 (31982-30605)/330605 = .045 4.5%
4 stacks 33421 (33421-31982)/31982 = .045 4.5%

Total: (33421 - 27945) / 27945 = .196 19.6%

It could be that the tooltip is inaccurate and misleading. I'm assuming the first mount is 3% per stack and each additional adds 0.5% to each stack. Making 2 mounts 3.5%, 3 mounts 4%, 4 mounts 4.5% and 5 mounts 5%. Stacking 4 times to reach totals of 12%, 14%, 16%, 18% and 20% respectively.

They appear to be additive as stacks increase, so that each stack builds off the previous. So the 2nd stack give bonus power/defense based on the total stats including the 1st stack. The 3rd stack would increase power/defense based on a % of total power/defense including the 1st and 2nd stacks. etc. etc.

@archangelzorak01

Any chance of you testing the amount of +5 for 2 pets, then 3? so we know for sure if its 0.5 per mount afterwards.

(It seems to be different for each bonus. Gladiator guile goes from from 15% to 18% which is a 20% effectiveness on the second.)

flyingleon · March 2016

From the rework of warlord's inspiration we can see that the insignia bonus of same kind does not stack linearly. But how does the stacking work is not clear. @terramak, could you explain us more accurately how the stacking works for the same insignia bonus?

Edit: using power to compute this bonus could lead to minor mistake because 20% defence to power feat. And since Lia is a human, use defence could also lead to minor mistake, because of +3% defence from human. Anyway, from the stat increase from defence of Lia, x5 ProtCam bonus not even doubled x1 ProtCam.

Protector's Comeraderie not stacking properly.

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