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Please explain "lasts for 20 seconds, may only happen once every 20 seconds"

ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
edited February 2016 in The Library
Feytouched Enchantment seems to be the new trend in PvP. Not sure if it's the best option for increasing survivability for CW, but I would like to know more about it.

The transcendent version says: "...... lasts for 20 seconds, may only happen once every 20 seconds." Since the duration and cooldown is exactly the same, if I understand it correctly, that means the effect last forever and the foes I'm fighting with are always attacking me with 18% reduced damage. Am I correct?

Note: I'm currently an Oppressor.
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  • zachisrisingzachisrising Member Posts: 129 Arc User
    I'm sure it has 100% uptime unless they nerfes it to 50%. But yes feytouched drains the targets damage and gives it to you.
  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    zachisrising said:

    I'm sure it has 100% uptime unless they nerfes it to 50%. But yes feytouched drains the targets damage and gives it to you.

    Thank.
  • umscheumsche Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 461 Arc User
    I'd say once it is applied to one ennemy, it can't be reapplied to another one for 20s, so it has 100% uptime only if you're fighting a single ennemy.
  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    umsche said:

    I'd say once it is applied to one ennemy, it can't be reapplied to another one for 20s, so it has 100% uptime only if you're fighting a single ennemy.

    But it also says: "This effect is a 3 target AoE".
  • umscheumsche Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 461 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Then, on your first hit it debuffs 3 ennemies for 20s, and then you have to wait 20s for the next ennemies. I never tried it though.
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  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    defiantone99 said:

    Yes, the effect lasts until the mob is dead. If the mob dies in less than 20 seconds, you have to wait for the cooldown to end. But, it effectively has no cooldown (only at rank 12), which is why it is BIS in PVP.

    I understand. Thank you.
  • enomic123enomic123 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    zachisrising said:

    I'm sure it has 100% uptime unless they nerfes it to 50%. But yes feytouched drains the targets damage and gives it to you.

    @ianthewizard2012
    romotheone said:

    The Feytouched is worded in a weird way. It states that it "steals" your target's damage and increases your damage by that amount, but in reality, it only reduces your target's damage by 18% and increases your damage by 18%. (Transcendent Feytouched has these numbers). So it's not stealing, it's basicly a double effect, you debuff your target's damage by 18% and increase your own by 18%. Your target's damage is in no relation to the damage increase you receive.

  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    @enomic123 Thank you! It's nice that it doesn't steal.
  • treesclimbertreesclimber Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,161 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    NVM, i asked ingame, pve and pvp have same effect.
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  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    I came across a question: If two players who use feytouched fight each other, what would the result become?
  • enomic123enomic123 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    If both use the same enchant, possibly 0. On paper.
  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    ianthewizard2012 said:

    I came across a question: If two players who use feytouched fight each other, what would the result become?

    Both Player's damage gets decreased to 0.9676*their original damage.
    1.18*0.82 = 0.9676.
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  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    thefabricant said:

    ianthewizard2012 said:

    I came across a question: If two players who use feytouched fight each other, what would the result become?

    Both Player's damage gets decreased to 0.9676*their original damage.
    1.18*0.82 = 0.9676.
    Could you explain the math?

    I was thinking that the result is no one loses or gains damage because each player, although loses 18% damage, gains 18% damage. Therefore their damages end up are probably the same. That being said, I'm not sure about that.
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  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    ianthewizard2012 said:

    thefabricant said:

    ianthewizard2012 said:

    I came across a question: If two players who use feytouched fight each other, what would the result become?

    Both Player's damage gets decreased to 0.8496*their original damage.
    1.18*0.72 = 0.8496.
    Could you explain the math?

    I was thinking that the result is no one loses or gains damage because each player, although loses 18% damage, gains 18% damage. Therefore their damages end up are probably the same. That being said, I'm not sure about that.
    The 2 bonuses are multiplicative, not additive. they are of the form Base_damage*feytouched_Buff*feytouched_debuff not Base_damage*(feytouched_Buff+feytouched_debuff)

    That isn't 100% accurate, as to be 100% accurate you need to take into account the fey's downtime, but it mimics the behaviour of fey closely.
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  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    thefabricant said:

    ianthewizard2012 said:

    thefabricant said:

    ianthewizard2012 said:

    I came across a question: If two players who use feytouched fight each other, what would the result become?

    Both Player's damage gets decreased to 0.9676*their original damage.
    1.18*0.82 = 0.9676.
    Could you explain the math?

    I was thinking that the result is no one loses or gains damage because each player, although loses 18% damage, gains 18% damage. Therefore their damages end up are probably the same. That being said, I'm not sure about that.
    The 2 bonuses are multiplicative, not additive. they are of the form Base_damage*feytouched_Buff*feytouched_debuff not Base_damage*(feytouched_Buff+feytouched_debuff)

    That isn't 100% accurate, as to be 100% accurate you need to take into account the fey's downtime, but it mimics the behaviour of fey closely.
    So if I fight a player and we both use transcendent feytouched, I only have -3.24% incoming damage. That isn't impressive. :/
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  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    defiantone99 said:

    ianthewizard2012 said:

    thefabricant said:

    ianthewizard2012 said:

    thefabricant said:

    ianthewizard2012 said:

    I came across a question: If two players who use feytouched fight each other, what would the result become?

    Both Player's damage gets decreased to 0.9676*their original damage.
    1.18*0.82 = 0.9676.
    Could you explain the math?

    I was thinking that the result is no one loses or gains damage because each player, although loses 18% damage, gains 18% damage. Therefore their damages end up are probably the same. That being said, I'm not sure about that.
    The 2 bonuses are multiplicative, not additive. they are of the form Base_damage*feytouched_Buff*feytouched_debuff not Base_damage*(feytouched_Buff+feytouched_debuff)

    That isn't 100% accurate, as to be 100% accurate you need to take into account the fey's downtime, but it mimics the behaviour of fey closely.
    So if I fight a player and we both use transcendent feytouched, I only have -3.24% incoming damage. That isn't impressive. :/
    Using it is not the point, the point is not being the guy who is NOT using it.lol
    That makes sense. Thanks.
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